RE: WHY was Jesus cricified?
July 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm by RobbyPants.)
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Why bias a potential answer to begin the question?
Because the notion is stupid? It wasn't a sacrifice.
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: By the very nature of what atonement is.
But why atonement? Why not forgiveness? You know, like Jesus talked about repeatedly?
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: From His nature. God is just. To simply overlook wrongdoing would be unjust. God cannot deny His nature.
Again, why not forgiveness? Jesus tells us to forgive even though it's not in his nature to do so? What's with the notion of Christ-like behavior, then?
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: A misrepresentation of the definition of omnipotence. Omnipotence excludes God doing things contrary to His character and nature (ex. God cannot lie, doesn't mean He isn't omnipotent).
No, it's not a misrepresentation. What you're saying is would not. Cannot is a limitation. You're just redefining the word ad hoc to keep God omnipotent.
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: How would you go about proving that 'the whole charade was unnecessary and overly theatric'?
Because that part of my post was in the part that considered that God chose to do something. He could have opted for forgiveness, yet he didn't. He chose "unnecessary (and temporary!) blood sacrifice of X to pay for Y" as opposed to "forgive Y". Sounds both unnecessary and theatrical.
(July 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Not true at all. Consider what must occur for a being to be both just and merciful and the same time.
Is your god great, or not? People handle justice and mercy inside the confinements of their environment. An omnipotent being suffers no such limitations. It does whatever it wants, by definition.
