Ferguson: too much or not enough?

[Brakeman]

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The cop who shot him DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF WHEN HE SHOT HIM. Even the police chief admitted this.

Since the cop didn't know, it wasn't part of the decision to shoot.

Since it wasn't part of the decision to shoot, it's totally irrelevant.

Totally.
Irrelevant.
Return to the subject.

No, it is not irrelevant to the judgment of the veracity of the cop's claim. It is only irrelevant to the cop's decision to shoot. Before we get to discussing whether or not the cop's actions are justified, we first have to decide what actions actually took place. So far, it looks like so many of you were completely taken in by the witnesses who have been thoroughly impeached by the evidence. Because it doesn't fit your preconceived prejudices you have ignored the best evidence such as the autopsies and the robbery and gone on a tantrum. Unless new evidence surfaces to the contrary, we should judge that the cop was attacked, then separated by Brown walking off, then "bumrushed" at which time the cop shot until the man stopped and fell from the fatal shot. Do you agree with this description of events as the most plausible so far? If so, we can do away with the need to show that Michael was the type of person and of the current mind to behave as the cop claimed. Then it is merely a question of whether a cop should be able to protect himself from a larger, stronger attacker with deadly force as he is trained to do in police academy.

The allegations that are relevant:
1. A cop allegedly shot an unarmed man who had his hands in the air.
2. When peaceful protests gathered, the cops seem to have acted like a bunch of drunken frat boys with some shiny new toys they got for Christmas and decided it was time to party. And boy, howdy, did they party!
3. The press has been intimidated, threatened, fired upon and arrested for doing their jobs.

This is an example of how NOT to handle public relations.
This is an example of how NOT to diffuse public anger.
This is an example of how NOT to keep order.
This is an example of how NOT to maintain a free society.
This is an example of why we should NOT militarize the police.

1. We now have autopsy evidence provided by the family's ME that number 1 is not true. The killing shot hit him near the top of the head. The wounds were consistent with the cop's version of the events, not the ones you like.

2. Maybe, I don't know. But if this claim is brought by the same media that reported that the guy got shot in the back for jaywalking, then I doubt the source too much to consider it. I did see a great deal of vandalism and looting though. But who knows, maybe it was "peaceful" looting and vandalism" type protests?

3. Yeah, that's been true since Bush2 but even Barak Obama hasn't done shit to improve press rights. Most police seem to believe that they can't be video taped and that we don't have a right to photograph federal property.
I hope we do something about this!

I'm not conservative, I'm not racist, I'm not a cop lover, but I sure as shit am not one to stubbornly stick to discredited claims. If I wanted to do that I would have stayed a christian.

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Actually I was going by the press release of the ME that the Brown family hired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/mic...times.html

Do you think that there is an alien conspiracy to plant false autopsies?

I heard the "lunging" bullshit, too. He could also have been on his knees and falling forward when officer Hero gave him the coup d' grace in the top of the head. He did end up face down.

Except that the eye shot was also downward and the arm shots are forward. It fits the cops version and not the racist black witnesses'. Yeah, it could have been shots from the grassy knoll but as of now we are judging between two sets of witnesses. Those who started the riots when they said that the guy was just walking in the street when the white cop blasted him in the back with his hands in the air, and the cop's version, where he was "bumrushed."
Without good physical evidence against the cop's version, we should probably give him the benefit of doubt since it doesn't appear that he is lying. The other black witnesses lied through their teeth and you are yet to admit it.