(August 31, 2008 at 12:39 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote:Again, I have to state:(August 30, 2008 at 5:35 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Exactly which bit of "I don't believe it until I see some evidence" did you not understand?To my opinion one can not be a front stage propagator of the ideas of atheism as you are and in the same time to believe in something very close to Destiny.
Which bit of "I don't believe it until I see some evidence" did you not understand?
You keep saying that I have some kind of belief in determinism and therefore that means I cannot possibly be an atheist. Whilst I think you can probably have some kind of belief in determinism and still be an atheist, I am not one who falls into that group. I am neither a "determinist" nor an "undeterminist". The best description of me would be an "apa-determinist" (morphing the words apathetic and determinist). I don't have any opinion on either and I really don't care about them. I haven't read into the subject at all, but it is common knowledge that certain things can be predicted. Science has so far failed to unite newtonian physics with quantum mechanics, so using it to argue against determinism seems a bit off. I would love to hear your opinion on the wikipedia article about determinism which states (in relation to quantum mechanics):
Quote:So quantum mechanics is deterministic, provided that one accepts the wave function itself as reality (rather than as probability of classical coordinates). Since we have no practical way of knowing the exact magnitudes, and especially the phases, in a full quantum mechanical description of the causes of an observable event, this turns out to be philosophically similar to the "hidden variable" doctrine.
Whatever your answer, please stop referring to me as though I believe in determinism. I don't and it is rude to suggest otherwise. Ignorance in a subject does not mean I believe in it. I do not have any opinion on either, although that seems to be changing now I have been forced to read into the subject in order to respond to you