(September 8, 2014 at 1:08 pm)Darkstar Wrote: I'm really confused now. Since when is science philosophy?
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Well, I think the OP is probably referring to what is generally considered philosophy by most people (i.e. Philosophy of law, mind, and metaphilosophy).
I think the reason that the OP is harping on philosophy is because people like William Lane Craig warp it to their own ends (at least that's one of the reasons that it annoys me sometimes). Personally, those branches of philosophy that attempt to answer questions that are fundamentally unanswerable annoy me. Also, those that seek to answer (or worse, claim to have answered) scientific questions without using any actual science, those are the worst. ("Everything that begins to exist has a cause" ...how do you know that?)
Don't get me wrong; I like a lot of philosophy, but since things like metaphilosophy don't require empirical evidence, people can just make stuff up and parade it around as though it were deeply insightful.
This is actually my exact issue with philosophy and its' usage. Philosophy unlike science cannot have an order, it must abide by pure testability and if nothing is testable then it is free of scientific criticisms.
But things like metaphysics are to come after physics(science) not before.
When you look at the ancient Greek philosophers most of them pondered about reality and came up with elaborate philosophy which was entirely proven wrong by science. Look at the concept of the nous and the nature of cognition. Neuroscience has disproved the philosophical concept of dualism and a metaphysical grounding of consciousness. These things have no place in philosophy or science.
Science renders old theories "out of date" but in philosophy and entire proposition can be declared bullshit. William Lane Craig is actually the reason I hate philosophy and Harris is the reason why I love it. Philosophy is a hate/love thing for me.
Philosophers in this day of age are going back to the Sophistry of the Greeks and doing something I hate.
I have a philosophy and phrase that I use to guide my life in terms of knowledge and it is "never speak to soon".
I find that people who wish to get ahead in realms of discourse and reasoning almost always abandon testability and instead engage in discourse about a matter before any evidence is laid forth. This is something that philosophers almost exclusively do.
Philosophy is great and it is obvious that I love it but I feel that it is being hijacked because "science is too hard". I hate hearing that goddamn phrase from kids and now philosophy is becoming more of a fad to discredit science and true wisdom.
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