Libertarian Socialism

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I don't agree that liberty is not possible on a large scale. It isn't possible (at the moment anyway) in our society because our society is pretty screwed up. Things do need to be expertly managed, micro or macro are just points on a sliding scale.

Yes it is screwed up. It's as much the culture as it is the government. You can't force a culture to change at gunpoint. You have to do it from the principal of self ownership. Rules don't change shit. People do.

I agree that the federal government needs to to its job and do it right. That would include preventing the States Rights fundamentalists from keeping minority Americans away from the voting booth, infringing on the rights of female American's, and forcing the rest of us (Fuck you Texas) to teach our kids Christian-Lunacy-Creationism as science.

Yes, both of those problems are discrimination related. Freedom of religion doesn't mean religion gets to impose on your freedom. But if a stupid christian student doesn't want to learn about evolution, they don't have to I believe in competing independent charter education. But teaching creationism or any other pseudo-science is actually discrimination against christians. They're the ones being dumbed down and oppressed.

It is the States (mostly Republican) that are neglecting the Constitution. (With the help of a Republican SCOTUS). The Federal Government's main failure is letting them get away with it. You think the smaller the government the better. I disagree. The smaller the government the less fight it can put up against mega-corporations. Local schools are fucked up not because of the Department of Education, but because local school boards are run by Nut Cases who think god gave Adam a dinosaur to ride around the Garden. Teachers are neglected because that same School Board flunked Jr. High and is looking to get even. Small government only works when there is a big government standing over them making sure they play by the rules.

I became a juvinile delinquent once they stole my comics and forced me to read Little House on the Prairie. Whenever I cut class it felt like breaking out of prison. Nobody was telling me how I could dress, what I could say or commanding my unquestioned obedience.

Naturally gangs formed. The stupid teachers thought they could break them up. Little had they realized gangs are the result of team work. They could have taught the gangs about craftsmanship and entreprenuership. If they had we wouldn't have the same crime and poverty problem. The black market is what happens when the "free market" blocks out participation from the bottom.

I completely fucking neglected personal entrepreneurship as a right because it isn't one. As long as your personal fucking entrepreneurship meets a market demand without trashing the environment or subjecting workers to sub-standard wages and working conditions, fine. But if history teaches us anything is that the fucking personal entrepreneur is mostly driven by greed, and he doesn't give a rat's ass about anything other than how much profit he can squeeze out of his workers, suppliers, and customers. As long as the Government is keeping the playing field level and fair, this is not a problem. Such a self-centered and harmful personal fucking entrepreneur would soon be out of business; abandoned by workers taking better jobs (or fixed by them starting a union), suppliers getting fairer prices and selling their wares elsewhere, and customers getting better products and serves from the shop down the street.

I don't think you comprehend the lack of self ownership in our current system. Because free association is part of the equation. If the working conditions are unsatisfactory, the workers are within their rights to change their conditions. Or else the "owners" will learn who actually runs "their" business. The govt intervened to compromise on behalf of the ownership class.

If you don't like pollution, you could open a store that only sells eco-friendly products. I try buying eco-friendly, independently owned american products. It's hard because of the wall of paperwork standing between an individual and business.

We could all stop global warming if every real liberal pooled our money together and opened solar farms, thorium and geothermal plants. Oh yeah, we can't. Somebody has a govt protected monopoly on the power grid.

Unfortunately the mega-fucking-personal-entrepreneurs bought the Government with the help of the same Republican controlled SCOTUS. Most of us are seeing our rights flushed down the shitter as a result. Health care run by pharmaceutical companies, HMOs, and insurance companies. (Who make money from a sick society, not a healthy one - and who don't want to insure anyone who is likely to need insurance.) The environment trashed by big energy companies protecting their vested internists with - let us not forget - massive tax breaks from both State and Federal governments. Wall Street gambling our money away (when not buying hookers and coke) and walking away free because they didn't break any "regulations". Our "justice system" has been sold to some personal fucking entrepreneurs who run our prisons, and the result is America has the largest incarceration rate in the world. Ditto for weapons manufacturers, war and gun deaths.

That's because govt is controlled by mega corporations. Not us. Democracy is just a spectator sport. You know big pharma wrote Obamacare. You know Goldman Sachs paid Obamas way to the whitehouse. You know Lockheed Martin and the Carlyle Group are the reason we're bombing the middle east. You know that's why the warpigs are looking at Russia like it's dinner. You know Elizabeth Warren won't be any different. I've heard her preach about corruption, but hasn't actually done anything about it.

The free market and Private Market are two different things. The republicrats only care about "trickle down" economics. Wealth is supposed to trickle up, down, left, right and forward.

Getting rich at the expense of everyone else in the community has nothing to do with liberty. So, fuck off ...

Your right it fucking doesn't! You just don't know why or how to change it. You seem to be under the impression praying to the benevolent democrats will change anything. They are not on your side. They're just republicans that think pro-choice is just a stance on abortion. They don't care about the victimless criminals (including weapon charges) rotting in a dungeon.

What about your choices. What makes you think a nationalist entity can make your choices for you? What makes you think your best intentions shouldn't be your choice?

I guarantee you we wouldn't be speaking to eachother on corporate owned devices assembled at foxconn, from conflict materials mined by slave labor if we all believed in and practiced self ownership.

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I already buy independent and organic. Because I look at lables. This is how regulation actually works. The more people demand ethical products, the more we'll be supplied with them. Shitty corporate products will go the way of horse meat, rotten milk and leaded gas. You just need to be a socially conscious buyer to create a socially conscious market.



This is why reulation is a joke. Just lower your energy consumption and save up for a solar panel or something. Buy a car with good gas mileage and carpool as often as possible. The government will not stop climate change.



The centralized power structure is a Xanatos Gambit. Using the govt to control corporations just puts the govt under corporate control.

We need to avoid that whole mess entirely.