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Libertarian Socialism
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RE: Libertarian Socialism
(September 17, 2014 at 5:27 pm)stonedape Wrote:
(September 17, 2014 at 8:45 am)TaraJo Wrote: This is generally called tribalism; and, yes, it's worse in many ways to the society we have now.
There's nothing wrong with peaceful, co-operative, secular tribalism. The silk road is a good example. They brought silk all the way from China to Europe. This wouldn't have worked if they maintained the convert or die attitude. Of course there were road bandits to bust up the peace. Eventually they just settled on collecting taxes. Much more lucrative in the long run. You can only raid and murder somebody once. It's all about repeat business. Eventually the road bandits are justified to keep the road bandits out.

Peaceful tribalism rarely happens and when it does, it usually ends when another "tribe" decides they want to be in charge. Which, again, is kinda what ended the silk road: Arabian states decided not to let non-Muslims travel through their lands, essentially ending the silk road.

The overwhelming majority of the time, tribal societies consist of nearly a constant state of combat with each other, often over issues we would consider petty. Before white folks came over, North American natives were always fighting each other in spite of the fact that they had lots of land and resources to share amongst each other. Currently, tribal Somalia has been in a civil war for 20 or so years. Before recorded history, tribalism reigned and resulted in tribes always running raids against each other for resources (the resources were usually women, btw). Even now, if you look at some of the ghettos out there, where rule of law and politics are basically ignored and even police are scare to go, tribalism rules in the form of street gangs; how peaceful are those?

So, yeah, tribalism could work. But I don't see it happening. It's far more common for tribalism to result in more violence and fighting and destruction and less general progressiveness.
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Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 13, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 20, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by CapnAwesome - September 21, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 13, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by tjakey - September 13, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 14, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by downbeatplumb - September 14, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 15, 2014 at 9:54 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 17, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by TaraJo - September 18, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 12:12 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 14, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 16, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 17, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 17, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Dystopia - September 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Brian37 - September 19, 2014 at 5:49 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Madness20 - September 19, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by Minimalist - September 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 6:57 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 18, 2014 at 11:03 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 18, 2014 at 11:15 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 19, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2014 at 1:46 am
RE: Libertarian Socialism - by stonedape - September 21, 2014 at 7:27 pm

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