(September 24, 2014 at 5:11 am)Harris Wrote:(September 14, 2014 at 12:21 am)Surgenator Wrote: First, your asserting there is an absolute moral law(s).
Is not incest or to torcher a baby reckon as absolute immoral? If so then from where that sense of absoluteness comes from?
In the absence of God there are no objective moral values and duties. Ethics is basically a subjective illusion of human beings.
Abosolute moral laws and objective moral laws are not the same thing. Absolute means that they apply in all circumstances without exception. Objective means they are independent of subjective opinion. If God thought up these laws then your religious laws are not objective either, as they depend on the subjective opinion of God. Being a god doesn't make your pronouncements objective.
Are there absolute moral laws? It's an interesting question, but since the subject is whether God's law provides a foundation for morals that secular views cannot, it is irrelevant. Since your religious laws are dependent on the being called God they are thoroughly subjective, whether they are absolute or not. Since your religion doesn't provide an objective foundation for morals, only a secular morality or that of a different religion than yours can provide an objective moral code.