RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 26, 2014 at 6:13 pm
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2014 at 6:23 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(September 26, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(September 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: what else is there to conclude?Oh, I don't know....perhaps that it's just one of any number of logarithmic patterns that can express themselves as structures? In the case of bees, any pattern that maximizes the number of cells in a given space will yield a rough spiral if viewed from a certain point in the structure...though it's unlikely that any beehive has ever been a perfect "fibonacci sequence" - you'd have to measure that down to the nth - rather than fudge the numbers as being "close enough" (this applies to just about anything you're likely to point at). In the case of trees, it maximizes exposure (seed cones are a similar issue to beehives, maximizing the number of seeds). Neither "god" nor "coincidence". These were not the only choices...though it seems to me that this is all you'd considered.
Care to guess as to whether or not a mundane mechanic as per the above will also explain it's presence in our bodies? I'll wait.
Except that the example I gave of Bees involved how they reproduced, not the shape of their hive.
For instance, a male be will have
1 parent
2 grand parents
3 g grand parents
5 gg grand parents
8 ggg grand parents
and females tree would start at 2,3,5,8,13.
by dividing the number of females by the number of males you get 1.618, Phi.
Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence? what determines it? Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?
(September 26, 2014 at 5:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote:Quote:The "golden spiral" is a fascinating curve. But it is just one member of a larger family of curves/spirals collectively known as "logarithmic spirals", and there are still other spirals found in nature, such as the "Archimedian spiral." It's not difficult to find one of these curves that fits a particular pattern found in nature, even if that pattern is only in the eye of the beholder. But the dirty little secret of all of this is that when such a fit is found, it is seldom exact. The examples from nature that you find in books often have considerable variations from the "golden ideal". Sometimes curves claimed to fit the golden spiral actually are better fit by some other spiral. The fact that a curve "fits" physical data gives no clue to the underlying physical processes that produce such a curve in nature. We must dig deeper to find those processes.
Fibonacci Flim-Flam, by Donald E. Simanek
your link fails to mention the above example.