RE: An argument against God
September 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 3:01 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 29, 2014 at 2:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If statements can be about something not true.Sure, but that's not the issue of contention. You could engineer an "if" statement that is not "true" - but would satisfy both sufficient and necessary reason. -That's- when it becomes an issue of what is or is not sound. The conditions must be met Mystic, period, or else the argument cannot be relied upon -even if the conclusion is "true" in some other sense not related to the conditions - even if the components of the premise are "true". Validity is very often more than what most are comfortable with accepting -as valid-. This is the minutea of logic that seems to be lost on such propositions but which is entirely prescient to me - due to what I use logic for, by and large. Handling a large number of statements concurrently the problem becomes pronounced because there are many, many ways to get a "false positive" when you're trying to handle a few thousand statements a second (and being able to rely upon the conclusions determines whether or not your assembly -even works-).
The measure of validity is that which (if it is sound) will lead to truth. It's a mechanic. Your argument fails to meet these conditions, not -because- it isn;t sound, but because the nature of the premise cannot allow a valid argument (or statement) structure. Even if such a showing -would- be a favor, it still does not satisfy the conditions. We can get a false positive (or negative) if we follow this line of reasoning. It is unreliable with regards to yielding truth regardless of whether or not either part is sound.
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