A few questions

[Jenny A]

Hold on . . . Where did I imply that god did do it?[/guote]
[quote='Vivalarevolution']Doesn't the fact that the laws can't be changed or substituted indicate there could be a higher power that set it all in place?

---- And just what might the difference between god and "a higher power that set it all in motion" be? Higher power is usually a synonym for god.

I was asking that since there is so much order in the universe, couldn't it also be a POSSIBILITY that a higher power made sure the big bang happened in such a way that the universe would work as we know it does now?

It is the "since there is" part that gets you into trouble. That suggests that order in the universe makes the possibility of a god more likely. I don't see that it does. Happy?

Anyway, the other guy wrote

What other guy? It's polite to address the people you are talking to by name. Try it, and the quote function. It makes threads a little less chaotic.

okay the universe may not be beautiful for you. For me it is though. From the big bang to the present. How 13.7 billion years led to our intelligent lives.

It's beautiful for me too. But that doesn't change the fact that there is also a whole lot of ugly. You see if I ask what beauty implies, I have to ask what ugliness implies too.

So once again I ask you two questions:

1) What does pain and ugliness in the universe imply about a higher power?

2) How is an ordered universe more improbable than an ordered universe created by a higher entity?