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Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
To be honest, I think the turn the other cheek words found in the gospel is unrealistic. Mohammad and his followers were facing hostility, and they were forced to react. However, as I shown, the Quran doesn't go on to say you can fight whoever or fight all disbelievers for simply being disbelievers. It said if they incline to peace, to incline to it. Yes there is a lot of verses about Jihaad, but, they put limitations. For example even in Suratal Baraat where it says to kill polytheists after the sacred month is over, it says it's due to them breaking treaties, and as far as those who stayed true to the treaties, to stay true to them. But all these verses are taken out of context.

The primary goal of Jihaad was to restore peace and stability. If that was achieved, there was no need of Jihaad.

Now there is no way to accurately state this and that is exact policy Quran demands to take now in this century. But obviously, it stating to incline to peace when the other side inclines to it is important. Or to not kill a person unless for killing another man or mischief in the land is important.

I don't know why people pretended these verses don't exist and act like experts about Islam teaching terrorism.

(October 23, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: What are these versus supposed to prove? That islam is a nice religion? There are plenty of other verses that tell them to kill people and ISIS are using them.

Yes those verses were in their time, context, to do with fighting polytheists who were fighting Muslims and killing Muslims. The verses I posted give context to those verses, showing that there were limitations, and Islam never gave the green light to kill innocents.
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Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by FatAndFaithless - October 23, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 4:20 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Minimalist - October 23, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Ksa - October 24, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Minimalist - October 23, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:33 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Crossless1 - October 23, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Whateverist - October 24, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by FatAndFaithless - October 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by c172 - October 23, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:08 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Minimalist - October 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:57 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:16 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Lemonvariable72 - October 23, 2014 at 6:27 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:34 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:48 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Exian - October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Lemonvariable72 - October 24, 2014 at 2:27 am
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau - by Lemonvariable72 - October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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