Feminism and Gaming

[DeistPaladin]

You said that "fantasy shouldn't contribute to anyone's self-image problems."

Ah, so we're switching from straw man to quote mining.

Here's the whole quote:

And what you keep missing is that fantasy shouldn't contribute to anyone's self-image problems. Know why? Because it's fantasy.

The context in relation to all of my posts in this thread, which I know you've been reading, is that I'm what ought to be (hence, the word "should") in a society that distinguishes between fantasy and reality for women the same way it seems to effectively do for men. Men don't feel insecure about fantasy, unrealistic body types so how can we accomplish the same for women?

Actually I looked into this briefly yesterday and found that men are affected as well.

I do hope your sources will be a little better researched and peer-reviewed than the last link you posted. I'm open minded but based on my experiences, such men would be uncommon and therefore other factors may be in play.

Again, fantasy images occur in real life and have real life effects. You say yourself that men get off on looking at such images. There isn't a wall between media images, fantasy or otherwise, and real life.

So you say. Again, I'll need to see peer-reviewed psychology studies and not some guy ranting and making things up on a Christian website.

Alternatively, if fantasy images have no effect on real life, then there's no reason to sex them up.

Explain your logic.

Nope, I think both sexes should be depicted more realistically, and as noted, research indicates it's both a male and female problem, although I haven't had time to read much on the male angle yet.

Well, that's boring and a touch puritanical.

This is not an anti-sex message:

The passages I quoted were.

3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time

Congratulations. The Bible contradicts itself. There are multiple passages that admonish celibacy as the preferred option. The above passage endorses spousal rape. Bold emphasis mine.

One woman once confided in me that her ex-husband periodically would rape her. She would wake up in the middle of the night to find him in the process of having sex with her. I call this "rape" but according to the Bible, that's perfectly OK because she has no authority over her own body. Rather, he does. So if he wants to rape her while she sleeps, well, he's her husband and that's his property.

Now, you'll point out that she has similar "authority" over him. This too is potentially abusive but spousal rape is typically perpetrated by the husband so I don't think women would find that "you can do it too" very comforting.

Can I again underscore the irony that I like the visual of fantasy male and female bodies while you like a book that really has some twisted fucking teachings about sex? Talk about things that affect real life behavior.

If you want to rant that images of pretty fantasy girls hurts women, then you need to take a look at how the Bible has promoted the very abusive, paternalistic, male-privilege-ridden society that we now live in. It doesn't just hurt women's feelings (not to say that fantasy imagery does), it causes real physical, emotional and sexual damage.

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I wish people would stop quoting this verse. It makes me physically ill.

As I said to Alpha boy, I understand why. A woman once confided in me she was a spousal rape survivor. Until even recently, there were laws on the books that made prosecution of such abuse impossible, on the grounds of the horrid tradition of "husband's rights".

The verse quoted is disturbing in light of that problem and could easily be read to endorse spousal rape.