(October 30, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(October 30, 2014 at 6:32 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote: Hello!
By this I mean do you believe truths exist that are ALWAYS true regardless of time, location, or circumstance? I don't intend to challenge any belief in this thread... I am simply taking note of them and categorizing them statistically.
Truth is contingent upon reality; a statement cannot be true without a real world of which it can describe an accurate aspect thereof. If reality- context- changes, then so does the corresponding truth. For example, the statement "the sky is blue," is true right now relative to me, because it's a cloudless day where I am, and it's sunny out. However, in a few hours the sun will set, and that statement will become false, whereas the statement accurately describing the color of the sunset will become true.
Quote: Universal/Absolute truth would imply the existence of God, as it goes beyond chemical reaction and matter.
Not necessarily. It would just mean that that truth is consistent across all of reality, and stably so. Hell, without even demonstrating that god is the only thing "beyond chemical reaction and matter," there would be numerous other possibilities, even if we took your assertion at face value.
Quote: It is a spiritual concept, for instance "thou shalt do no murder" would be considered by a theist to be universally/absolutely true.
But that's not a truth statement, it's a command. It is neither true, nor false. Even if you say it's a command from god, it's only reflective of god's orders, possibly his opinions beyond that, certainly not some objective or absolute truth. It's not a statement that describes reality, how could it be determined true or false?
Now, if you were to formulate it correctly, say "it is morally wrong to murder," well, I think you'd find leeway even there. Is it morally wrong to murder, even if that one murder is the only way to save ten more, say, from a serial killer? What about a hundred lives for that one? A thousand?
Quote: "For God so loved the world" would be another truth they recognize as universal.
Well, at least that one's a truth statement, kinda. Still pretty subjective, though. Hard to demonstrate.
I believe you guys are missing the point of the question, Im very sorry, I could have been clearer.
If possibly, mods would you mind removing this thread and poll?
I'll be happy to repost it in a clearer context.
Do you recall what was revealed the day the music died?
