(November 1, 2014 at 3:48 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(November 1, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What is in dispute is when you say "I believe in a god". You can say that till the cows come home but that has nothing to do with proving the existence of that god like you can prove that gravity exist's.
I completely agree.
You're still skirting the issue. No believer I know thinks God is provable like gravity is provable. You're chasing a massive red herring.
chas Wrote:If you don't need evidence for your belief, then you have faith, not knowledge.
False
I don't need evidence like there's evidence for gravity, because that sort of evidence isn't possible. The evidence I have supports my faith. Once more: no one has knowledge.
Still not getting it.
"Evidence" to the layperson is what you employ. You swallow first looking for an excuse to cling to a position. That is not even remotely close to the way scientific method determines REAL evidence. The use of your logic is excuse making. The use of logic in science is a form of quality control.
No one has knowledge? Oh ok then why does your computer exist? Someone had to invent computers. But since no one has knowledge all this is our imagination, got it.