RE: Atheism, A Grim Position?
January 6, 2015 at 11:25 am
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2015 at 11:26 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(January 6, 2015 at 11:20 am)*steve* Wrote:(January 6, 2015 at 11:01 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: As to your other two "points", you'll have to describe them more. What the hell is a "ultimate basis for value" or an "ultimate intentionality associated with reality"?
I would say that "value" is what we base our moral decisions on. Say for instance, if life is valuable then our moral decisions and behaviors attempt to honor and protect that value.
For most people an ultimate intentionality would probably be termed as "God". Theism posits an ultimate intentionality (God) that is somehow actively associated with our reality. Deism posits the presence of that ultimate intentionality but rejects its active association with this reality. Buddhism, as I understand it, posits ultimate "laws" but not intentionality.
1) To the "value" question.
So you're asking if there is a supreme, authoritative agency that cannot be appealed ("ultimate" from your supreme court analogy) that determines the basis for our moral decisions ("value").
No. I don't believe that there is any objective, proscribed code of conduct carved into the universe by a supreme agency, and I'm glad there isn't. Relying on an authority for your morality removes the ability to make moral decisions for yourself. The best and most effective way to discuss and evolve moral systems is through debate, evidence, empathy, and an understanding of what makes healthy human societies. No "ultimate" authority needed.
2) Intentionality
Nope. No reason to think there is, and in my opinion no reason to wish there was.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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