RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm
(This post was last modified: January 25, 2015 at 10:11 pm by Cheerful Charlie.)
(January 24, 2015 at 10:50 am)dyresand Wrote:(January 24, 2015 at 10:41 am)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: There is a problem with a god that creates the rules. God is defined as perfectly good. God has a good nature and free will. God does no evil of his own free will.
A perfectly good God would eliminate all moral evil if possible. So such a God would create mankind with a god-like free will and a god-like good nature. Any reason we might imagine why this cannot be so is dead on arrival because God makes the rules and his will cannot be thwarted.
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The claims God must exist to explain the existence of the Universe collapses of its own internal self contradictions.
yep because again a creator himself needs to have a creator so on and so fourth. Well we all know where all religions come from anyways.
Well, not necessarily. What this proves is logically naturalism is the basic reason the Universe exists. But this naturalism may well have always existed in some form or the other with no creator. Any possible Gods likewise may not need a creator, a weak proposition to be sure. Or alternatively maybe God is not good, or doesn't care about us, which abandons major revelations of Christianity, Judaism, Islam et al. There are a lot of propositions could be made here, but naturalism any way you want to argue this a God that is all good, cares about us and makes the rules and laws of the Universe is self contradictory.
The question is, what would a die-hard theist say when confronted with this logical problem.
The other thing to notice is this claim, that there is a perfectly good God who cares about us and who makes the very logic of the Universe eliminates the usual arguments that maybe God has very good but unknown and unknowable reasons for having to except the existence of moral evil.
Cheerful Charlie
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
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If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain