(January 26, 2015 at 2:49 pm)SteveII Wrote:(January 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm)robvalue Wrote: We don't need to rule out god. That's an argument from ignorance, again.
What is a god? Please remind me?
I was pointing out the logical conclusion of claiming we cannot know anything. You can't say we don't even know if cause and effect existed in one sentence and in the very next say that we can definitively rule out God.
For the purposes of this argument, God did not begin to exist and is someone who could create a universe out of nothing.
I don't recall anyone saying that we can "rule out God", though I may be mistaken.
The entire point that you seem to be missing is that our understanding of causality and the laws of physics and every tool we have for addressing reality in investigation into what is "true", is entirely predicated on the universe post t=0, and cannot be used to address anything before t=0, as we have absolutely no way of knowing if our current understanding of reality would be consistent, since we have no current ability to measure any time before t=0.
You have absolutely zero jusitication for applying current ideas of physics, causality, and nature to a situation in which we have no clue if those things even existed, let alone existed as we currently understand them.
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