RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 19, 2015 at 8:23 pm
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2015 at 8:37 pm by paulpablo.)
Harris said
So to sum up, there is no such thing as "assault course" In science because science concretely deals with physical objects and forces. You're saying an assault course has no physical properties so is therefore our of the scope of science.
But then you contradict yourself by saying.
So is an assault course a planned physical objected, structure, thing, or is it not a physical structure? Which is it?
I'm not comparing natural selection with a physical assault course, I'm comparing selections made in the army to natural selection, the assault course would be comparable to different environments in nature.
One is natural the other is man made but that doesn't mean they aren't comparable, especially not since assault courses often aren't 100% man made and I'm sure there probably are 100% natural assault courses which some people use for training.
If selection of a sexual partner is a conscious decision and sexual selection is a form of natural selection then conscious decisions are a part of natural selection.
The only thing I would say about this is that possibly a lot of what makes animals, including humans, decide on a mate, is instinct rather than a conscious decision.
You keep saying "it selects" There is no it, thing, person, being, selecting the best of the best.
You seem to be taking the word selection WAY to literally. You should just forget about the word selection because it doesn't mean what you think it means in this context, in this context it's just an expression.
What do you mean when you say "The best of the best" The best of the best at what?
Here's why natural selection results in no zombies. Zombie person vs average human.
Average human has a job, personality, gets along in society, has a girlfriend, breeds, his children are average humans, they get along in society, get jobs, get girlfriends and boyfriends and breed, their children are quite clever but don't all get jobs but they still breed and so on and so on.
Average zombie, not upwardly mobile enough to really get along with people, can't talk or form bonds with people, failed at a job interview for trying to bite the boss, couldn't get a girlfriend because he smelled like a rotting corpse, got his head blown off by a shotgun when he was trying to bite someone, didn't breed, didn't reproduce, no more zombies.
Quote:In the world of science, there is no such thing as “assault course.” Science concretely deals with physical objects and physical forces. Anything, which has no physical properties, is out of the scope of science.
So to sum up, there is no such thing as "assault course" In science because science concretely deals with physical objects and forces. You're saying an assault course has no physical properties so is therefore our of the scope of science.
But then you contradict yourself by saying.
Quote:Assault course is a planned structure of guided commands initiated by intelligent and conscious mind. Unguided natural selection is not a match to a guided assault course, as it has no physical properties.
So is an assault course a planned physical objected, structure, thing, or is it not a physical structure? Which is it?
Quote:Unguided natural selection is not a match to a guided assault course, as it has no physical properties.
I'm not comparing natural selection with a physical assault course, I'm comparing selections made in the army to natural selection, the assault course would be comparable to different environments in nature.
One is natural the other is man made but that doesn't mean they aren't comparable, especially not since assault courses often aren't 100% man made and I'm sure there probably are 100% natural assault courses which some people use for training.
Quote:Sex is a physical urge and selection of a partner is a conscious decision. Natural selection is not a match to a conscious and guided selection of a partner.
If selection of a sexual partner is a conscious decision and sexual selection is a form of natural selection then conscious decisions are a part of natural selection.
The only thing I would say about this is that possibly a lot of what makes animals, including humans, decide on a mate, is instinct rather than a conscious decision.
Quote:Breeding is an artificial selection and I am talking about Natural Selection. Intellectually guided process is involved in the breeding whereas natural selection is unguided and unconscious process. Therefore, natural selection is equally valid for any zombie if natural selection give rise to them.
If natural selection is blind, unguided, and unconscious process then why there are no real zombies. If Natural Selection is not a conscious process then why it only selects best of the best. Think about that.
You keep saying "it selects" There is no it, thing, person, being, selecting the best of the best.
You seem to be taking the word selection WAY to literally. You should just forget about the word selection because it doesn't mean what you think it means in this context, in this context it's just an expression.
What do you mean when you say "The best of the best" The best of the best at what?
Here's why natural selection results in no zombies. Zombie person vs average human.
Average human has a job, personality, gets along in society, has a girlfriend, breeds, his children are average humans, they get along in society, get jobs, get girlfriends and boyfriends and breed, their children are quite clever but don't all get jobs but they still breed and so on and so on.
Average zombie, not upwardly mobile enough to really get along with people, can't talk or form bonds with people, failed at a job interview for trying to bite the boss, couldn't get a girlfriend because he smelled like a rotting corpse, got his head blown off by a shotgun when he was trying to bite someone, didn't breed, didn't reproduce, no more zombies.
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