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“The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
(February 25, 2015 at 3:53 am)paulpablo Wrote: Assault courses are physical and aren't outside of space and time, if you ignore that they exist within the physical realm then you will be at a disadvantage when making predictions involving them.

If subject A has to run through an assault course in a race with subject B who has no assault course to deal with and they are of similar physical and mental fitness levels I can predict that because of the physical obstacles and challenges in the way of subject A, he will lose the race.

You will be incapable of making this prediction unless you acknowledge the assault course is real.

It seems you do not have proper understanding of Abstract Objects. I think if you give some time to study Abstract Objects then you would better understand what does that mean when I say “… which lie outside space and time”

You are familiar with numbers. Almost in all areas of our lives, we use numbers heavily. In fact, without numbers no scientific activity is possible. Yet numbers are Abstract Objects, as they can be neither seen nor heard, nor can they be tasted, felt or smelled. That does not mean that numbers are not real.

(February 25, 2015 at 3:53 am)paulpablo Wrote: Again I'm no biologist but I don't think it works like that.

Natural selection has never been used as an explanation as to how things become more complex.

And I THINK it's also not relevant to speculate on the effects of natural selection on the first living cell, since natural selection is a process which effects populations as a whole, and not individual cells in the way that you're thinking of.

It's mutation plus natural selection, mutations are responsible for the complexities, and natural selection is what eliminates things like your zombie man from living.

This whole assumption is wrong. The main idea behind Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is the evolution of simple structures into complex by the process of elimination.

(February 25, 2015 at 3:53 am)paulpablo Wrote: Harris Wrote :Selection is the action of CAREFULLY choosing something as being the best or most suitable. Most noticeable thing in the selection of things is a THING or SET OF THINGS that have been selected from a LARGER GROUP. Therefore, selection means deduction not increment.

Paulpablo Wrote: This is a better definition of selection for the purposes of this discussion, it relates more to biology.

A process in which environmental or genetic influences determine which types of organism thrive better than others, regarded as a factor in evolution.

So when asking me do I believe if natural selection is selecting the best of the best you can look back to this definition.

I have specially highlighted the word CAREFULLY to emphasis conscious nature of selection. Selection cannot be unconscious as evolutionists define purposely for the natural selection.

Fundamental element of intelligence is to continuously collect and analyse information regarding environment, including the actions of other elements. In fact, our very survival as individuals depends on this skill. We are constantly gathering perceptions, feelings, intuitions, and data about what is going on.

Intelligence is the result of a logical intellectual process, which produces new knowledge having practical value designed to:

(1) Corroborate the validity of the information,
(2) Understand its importance and linkages with other data,
(3) Develop a plan for action, and
(4) Use the plan to accomplish a desired goal.

There is no system in the world that can exemplify how unintelligent and unconscious natural selection behaving intelligently in the process of evolution.
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