Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

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RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

February 25, 2015 at 9:16 am (This post was last modified: February 25, 2015 at 9:20 am by Neo-Scholastic.)

(February 25, 2015 at 4:11 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote: The first cause could be an universe that has different laws than our universe; thus, that universe doesn't need a cause nor an explanation like things in this universe. Other natural laws are possible.

The universe cannot be a first (or more accurately primary) cause since it is already a particular contingent thing that changes. By way of contrast, the first cause must be non-contingent and unchanging.

(February 25, 2015 at 4:48 am)Alex K Wrote: ...the first cause is simply not necessary, because it isn't really defined and it doesn't solve anything imnsho

The first cause argument resolved the tension between change and constancy and as such paved the way to the solution to the problem of universals. You don't know what you are opining about.

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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 24, 2015 at 7:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2015 at 9:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 3:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Chas - February 25, 2015 at 4:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 1:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 2:15 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:48 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 9:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 9:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 3:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 26, 2015 at 12:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Ravenshire - February 26, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 9:55 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 2:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 3:24 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 5:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 11:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 3:43 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:15 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:30 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:34 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 8:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 8:58 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:53 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 2:05 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 10:34 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 11:25 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Faith No More - February 26, 2015 at 11:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 4:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 12:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 3:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 9:28 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 10:46 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 5:00 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Angrboda - February 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 6:59 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 5:55 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:16 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 9:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:41 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 27, 2015 at 12:33 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 11:38 pm

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