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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

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RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am (This post was last modified: February 26, 2015 at 2:26 am by Mudhammam.)

(February 25, 2015 at 5:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Who said the past cannot be eternal? The first cause argument doesn't have anything to do with whether the universe always existed or not. That just shows that you don't understand the argument.

There are many different ways to state the argument, not just one. You should know that. They all take the position that events necessarily arranged in a successive order must begin with one that exists unconditionally. The nature of such an unconditioned entity is no more within the grasp of human reason than a succession of causes that has no beginning, which leaves both propositions in limbo as far as speculation---and meaningfully speech---is concerned.

He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza

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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 24, 2015 at 7:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2015 at 9:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 3:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Chas - February 25, 2015 at 4:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 1:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 2:15 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:48 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 9:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 9:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 3:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 26, 2015 at 12:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Ravenshire - February 26, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 9:55 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 2:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 3:24 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 5:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 11:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 3:43 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:15 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:30 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:34 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 8:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 8:58 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:53 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 2:05 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 10:34 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 11:25 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Faith No More - February 26, 2015 at 11:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 4:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 12:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 3:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 9:28 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 10:46 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 5:00 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Angrboda - February 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 6:59 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 5:55 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:16 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 9:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:41 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 27, 2015 at 12:33 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 11:38 pm

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