RE: Proof of God
March 3, 2015 at 11:31 am
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2015 at 11:55 am by Ben Davis.)
(March 3, 2015 at 9:50 am)Harris Wrote: There is no way to determine the properties of any other universe in the multiverse...You missed my point. I wasn't talking about the multiverse, I was talking about the pre-expansion state of our immediate universe. Pre-expansion, there was no time and no space. All that we know regarding the laws of physics (and thus causality) are made a nonsense by this state. Consequently we can't assume that causality has any meaning in the context of a pre-expanded universe and I certainly can't imagine how anyone would be able to know enough about it to posit the existence of a disembodied mind with universe-causing abilities, especially since, as you say "if they do indeed exist, for they are forever outside observational reach.".
Quote:Agreed, “there is no such thing as ‘nothingness’”At least we agree on something!
Quote:If you are convinced that there indeed a necessary thinking being who is the Grand Designer then I would be in position to talk about the known qualities of God.I thought you said that god's "forever outside observational reach"? How can you be in the position to talk about the known qualities of something which is, by your own definition, fundamentally unknowable?
Quote:Whether God is impersonal, distant and far removed from theistic definitions is only a matter of refining the thoughts through logical evidences.Something which is unobservable & unknowable can't have any 'logical evidences'. You're contradicting yourself.
Quote:God is an uncaused being because once you answer, “who created God?” that answer fires infinite series of question, “who created the second God that created the first God?” and so on. In simple words, the question “who created God?” means there is no universe but because there is universe therefore the question “who created God?” is wrong.This is just gibberish.
Quote:Please give your best argument against Fine-Tuning, Cosmological argument, and Intelligent Design, if you have any.I've already done the 'cosmological' argument in this (& my previous) post. If you'd care to present any arguments from fine-tuning or intelligent design, I'd be happy to address them.
Sum ergo sum