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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
(March 10, 2015 at 12:02 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(March 10, 2015 at 11:44 am)wiploc Wrote: No, it does not.

That does not seem like a defensible position.

It's easily defensible. What I don't understand is how one might defend the claim that religious morals are more defensible than atheist morals.



Quote: Can you explain where anything could get intrinsic meaning, value or purpose if there is no god?

Intrinsic meaning is an oxymoron, so we can set that aside.

I can explain where we get value and purpose at least as well as you can. But you go first, so I'll know what kind of explanation you're willing to accept: How do you get meaning, value, or purpose if there is a god?

Whatever answer you give, I'll give one at least that good.



Quote:In the excerpt below from the article I mentioned in the OP, WLC discusses the "noble lie". I would like to hear if this analysis is wrong and if so, why.

My experience with reading articles, and analyzing them for other people, goes like this: Over a period of hours, I read the article, make notes, form rebuttals, and draft totally devastating responses.

Then, after hours of work, I get told that I refuted some part of the article that wasn't interesting to the person who set me the task.

And Dr. Craig isn't here anyway. So, if you have a point, why don't you make that point in your own words. I can't talk to Craig, but I can talk to you.

While we wait for your point, I'll make one myself. Craig said that he doesn't know of any reason not to rape, aside from the fact that an invisible eccentric tells him not to. It seems to me that the commands of an invisible eccentric are no reason to do anything. So how should I distinguish Craig's morality from nihilism?
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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Norman Humann - March 10, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by TheRealJoeFish - March 10, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by downbeatplumb - March 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Steve Wilson - March 16, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 10, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by robvalue - March 10, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by wiploc - March 10, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 10, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Foxaèr - March 10, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 12:46 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Mister Agenda - March 12, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 10, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Esquilax - March 16, 2015 at 12:29 pm
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