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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
(March 13, 2015 at 12:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: The Euthyphro dilemma is a false dilemma because there is a third option. When you are talking about the nature of God you are talking about his essential properties (the greatest conceivable being). God neither conforms to nor invents the moral order. Rather His very nature is the standard for good.


So, where did God get his nature from?

If he gave it to himself, why can't he change it? Isn't he omnipotent?

If he gave himself his own nature, morality is still subjective to whatever the nature he gave himself is at the moment.

If he got his nature from another source, he is just relaying morality from whatever that source is. So, he is not the author of morality.

You've just moved the Euthyphro dilemma back a step. You haven't actually answered it.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Norman Humann - March 10, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by TheRealJoeFish - March 10, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by downbeatplumb - March 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Cato - March 10, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Steve Wilson - March 16, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 10:42 am
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by wiploc - March 10, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 10, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Alex K - March 10, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 13, 2015 at 1:19 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Esquilax - March 13, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Mudhammam - March 13, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by robvalue - March 13, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Faith No More - March 13, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Mudhammam - March 13, 2015 at 1:51 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 16, 2015 at 10:10 am
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by abaris - March 13, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2015 at 10:08 am
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 16, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Grandizer - March 16, 2015 at 3:15 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Faith No More - March 16, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Foxaèr - March 16, 2015 at 2:53 pm
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