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WTF???
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RE: WTF???
(August 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm)Entropist Wrote: Apparently you are ignorant of all the cases the ACLU has taken to court on behalf of Christians as well.

The first amendment is quite simple, but obviously understanding nuance is a rare ability, especially among US Americans... The violation of the first amendment can swing in two different directions, both of them equally bad:

Scenario 1:
A teacher at a public (i.e. taxpayer funded) school leads a class in morning prayer. The teacher is an employee of the state. The teacher is in violation of the first amendment because as a representative of the state she is establishing her religion in the classroom (even if she allows other students to sit out of the prayer).

Scenario 2:
A student at a public school is privately praying over his lunch in the cafeteria. A teacher comes over to him, asks him what he is doing. He says he is praying. The teacher then says you cannot pray here. Again, the teacher is in violation of the first amendment, being a representative of the state. The teacher (and by extension, the state) has no say in the student's beliefs or lack thereof.

The ACLU has gone to court over BOTH scenarios, and things similar to it.

That you fail to grasp this very simple concept means you either (a) fell asleep in civics class or (b) had a crappy civics teacher (probably a coach).

Ah, yes. the typical belligerent atheist. Anybody who doesn't share your point of view is obviously ignorant.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Please tell me how your diatribe answers my question based upon the actual text of the 1st amendment. Your argument is specious at best.
(August 28, 2010 at 8:47 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: Hi, What do you ride?

Currently an '06 Fatboy.
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WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 4:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:35 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 10:24 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:33 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 2:37 pm
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 28, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:49 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 9:56 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 10:23 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:04 am
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 29, 2010 at 9:07 am
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 28, 2010 at 8:47 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 7:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 28, 2010 at 9:15 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Minimalist - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 28, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Minimalist - August 28, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 28, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 29, 2010 at 12:25 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:21 am
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RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:59 am
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RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 9:48 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:02 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:16 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:24 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 30, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:43 am
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RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: WTF??? - by leo-rcc - August 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 29, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 10:42 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:47 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 29, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 30, 2010 at 1:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 30, 2010 at 3:36 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:53 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 8:51 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 8:56 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:44 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 10:02 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 30, 2010 at 10:31 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 10:32 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 10:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 11:04 am
RE: WTF??? - by leo-rcc - August 30, 2010 at 10:38 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 11:06 am
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RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 2:53 pm
RE: WTF??? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 30, 2010 at 3:19 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 3:07 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 31, 2010 at 6:25 am



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