RE: A Si Fi watchmaker.
March 21, 2015 at 1:37 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2015 at 1:43 pm by Brian37.)
(March 21, 2015 at 1:25 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:(March 21, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You accept that QM is real science, but you would reject the claim that Aquinus invented it. If you think no one has ever made such a stupid claim, you'd be wrong.People make stupid claims all the fucking time. What would you like us to do?!?
(March 21, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't care what you are getting your inspiration from, it remains a claim until you act on it. You don't simply depict something and have it magically happen.No shit. Is this the whole reason you want sci-fi banished?
(March 21, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Otherwise we all get to make up our own realities because we can make sound waves. People get inspiration from religion too, but that does not make them patent holders on anything.People get inspiration from many things in life. You're the one that seems to have a problem with a source that is, unlike religion, actually making no claims. Science fiction is just that, fiction. It says so right in the name. Why you seem to have a problem with shit being made up to tell a story is completely beyond me. It's fiction. That means made up and I think every reasonable person alive understands that.
How do you get from "don't simply swallow a claim" to "you want to outlaw making the claim"?
I defy you to show me anywhere in this thread I ever claimed that. You simply do not like the fact that I am not treating any form of communication special.
Before something is useful it remains a claim. You don't simply assume a depiction of anything will become reality. Otherwise we all get to make up anything we want and it is true until proven otherwise. Shifting the burden of proof is the same no matter where the claim is coming from.
Lots of things in QM especially are proven mathematically sure. But even with that proof, there is a reality that some of it may only be proven on paper. "Anything is possible" does not mean anything goes. You still deal with probability issues.
The NASA article last year about the "warp drive" everyone jumped all over because they said it was "plausible". And they are right, but they also said it may still be stuck on paper only because of the physical reality we are stuck in and the amount of energy it would take to make it work. None of that says "never", it merely is still an admission that if we ever get there it is still a hard road.
Religion inspires people too, but we rightfully say "prove it" and we do not allow them to shift the burden. To treat si fi differently is to make the same mistake they make.
The physics of Star Trek that is your evidence? I don't think you understand he is not saying even with that don't test anythingI. Again, science is doing that not the show. Otherwise when people get inspiration out of holy books the claims in them are true because they were merely depicted.
I would bet my life nowhere in that book you will find the words "claim whatever you want and you don't have to bother testing or falsifying it".
