RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 11:03 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2015 at 11:08 pm by paulpablo.)
So if I wrote a religious book and it said "There will be someone out there who can run faster than any other human runs".
You would think this is amazing and has to come from god because it's accurate and logical?
Also it's debatable what is good and if you should follow someone who is good.
When people say a person is good it's usually because they're following rules that are believed to be good at the time. Or because they are generally good for humanity.
If what is good is what's good for humanity then you run into lots of complications when saying this person is good therefore do what he does.
The inventor of vaccination maybe considered to be good because of the countless lives he saved, what he did for humanity is amazing, but his good deeds are partly based on the good luck of being intelligent enough to discover what he discovered and to be at the right place and time to do it.
In theory Hitler could have done a good thing for humanity, if hypothetically speaking he killed a Jewish person who ended up doing something which resulted in the deaths of billions of people. But what Hitler did was horrible and he had intentions of saving lives in that way, it might might have been an inconsequential result of his actions.
You might say someone with the best intentions is the most virtuous but that could result in horrific results, again Hitler probably thought he was virtuous but he was trying to wipe out the Jews, the same as Christians probably thought they were being virtuous when they killed witches.
If someone who follows or sets certain rules is considered good then that changes from time to time and circumstance to circumstance.
I find the thread title misleading because the argument in this thread isn't general, it's very specific. You're basically saying there's a specific thing the quran is definitely right about and it's logical. But to even begin to consider this argument you already have to believe in God and that the quran is true, in which case you should have really titled the thread "An argument for Islam that you will find convincing if you're already a Muslim".
You would think this is amazing and has to come from god because it's accurate and logical?
Also it's debatable what is good and if you should follow someone who is good.
When people say a person is good it's usually because they're following rules that are believed to be good at the time. Or because they are generally good for humanity.
If what is good is what's good for humanity then you run into lots of complications when saying this person is good therefore do what he does.
The inventor of vaccination maybe considered to be good because of the countless lives he saved, what he did for humanity is amazing, but his good deeds are partly based on the good luck of being intelligent enough to discover what he discovered and to be at the right place and time to do it.
In theory Hitler could have done a good thing for humanity, if hypothetically speaking he killed a Jewish person who ended up doing something which resulted in the deaths of billions of people. But what Hitler did was horrible and he had intentions of saving lives in that way, it might might have been an inconsequential result of his actions.
You might say someone with the best intentions is the most virtuous but that could result in horrific results, again Hitler probably thought he was virtuous but he was trying to wipe out the Jews, the same as Christians probably thought they were being virtuous when they killed witches.
If someone who follows or sets certain rules is considered good then that changes from time to time and circumstance to circumstance.
I find the thread title misleading because the argument in this thread isn't general, it's very specific. You're basically saying there's a specific thing the quran is definitely right about and it's logical. But to even begin to consider this argument you already have to believe in God and that the quran is true, in which case you should have really titled the thread "An argument for Islam that you will find convincing if you're already a Muslim".
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