If people were born gay, then we would expect that when one identical twin is gay, the other would be at or near 100% of the time. Studies have been done, and that's not the result. The highest rate found is 52%, and that was with a small sample and a non-representative population. Other studies come up in the 20s, and still others in the single digits. Whatever the actual rate is, it's nowhere near what we would expect if people were born gay. The evidence indicates that there is some amount of predisposition toward homosexuality in some people, but being gay is a choice in the (rear) end.
You guys pay lip service to going with the evidence. When the evidence doesn't support your desired position, you have no problem ignoring it.
When a theist says that they believe because they can see god working throughout their lives and give some examples, you correctly argue that such evidence is not compelling because it could result from confirmation bias, i.e. recalling only those things that confirm the desired position. But, when someone says they've felt gay all their life, well - that's good enough for you.
When I was younger I knew one G and one L well enough to discuss sex with them. Each strongly preferred same-sex partners, but each was willing to have an opposite-sex partner if that's all that was available. To each I therefore said, "So you're not gay, you're bi," and they each immediately replied that no, they were completely gay. This is not surprising. Here's an interesting study on bi invisibility. Read the case study on page 4. People open about being bi are frequently pressured into declaring themselves to be completely gay.
This was strategic, and allowed the comparison to the racial civil rights movement. However, the war is just about one at this point. Once it is, the strategic value of the paradigm will be unnecessary, and more supposed gays will come out of the bi closet, so to speak.
You guys pay lip service to going with the evidence. When the evidence doesn't support your desired position, you have no problem ignoring it.
When a theist says that they believe because they can see god working throughout their lives and give some examples, you correctly argue that such evidence is not compelling because it could result from confirmation bias, i.e. recalling only those things that confirm the desired position. But, when someone says they've felt gay all their life, well - that's good enough for you.
When I was younger I knew one G and one L well enough to discuss sex with them. Each strongly preferred same-sex partners, but each was willing to have an opposite-sex partner if that's all that was available. To each I therefore said, "So you're not gay, you're bi," and they each immediately replied that no, they were completely gay. This is not surprising. Here's an interesting study on bi invisibility. Read the case study on page 4. People open about being bi are frequently pressured into declaring themselves to be completely gay.
This was strategic, and allowed the comparison to the racial civil rights movement. However, the war is just about one at this point. Once it is, the strategic value of the paradigm will be unnecessary, and more supposed gays will come out of the bi closet, so to speak.
