We are no different than computers

[emjay]

My objection (minor, academic) was to the connection between ctm and claims about what meditation can or can't do.  A good example would be this.  I can build you a computer that cannot turn itself off or even control it's clock speed.  In order for a computer (and by extension a computational system) to "turn itself off or slow itself down", a specific implementation must be constructed/referenced.  Things cannot, simply by virtue of being computational systems, lay claim to that attribute (alteration of operating parameters, essentially).   It's something that comp sys -can do- or -might be doing-...but not because they are comp sys.  Thus...comp sys does nothing to advance the claims regarding what meditation can achieve, or in what manner it -is- achieved.

(you know I'm pretty vocal on the boards about ctm, so I take care to distance ctm with ancillary claims that may borrow some credibility -from- ctm...sometimes it's legit, sometimes it isn't.  In this case I don't think that there's enough to connect the two, but I don't take that any more seriously than you, just extended wonderings...there was a little in there that objected to the claim itself, that meditation allows control of specific body functions -which- on it's face seems like it might be a gross exaggeration of effect lacking in alot of other effects we would expect if it were true as told - not necessarily by you, but by the claimants,.....lol, my opinions could always use more organization.......)

Got yer. Very good example   I didn't mean to imply that what I was musing had anything to do with ctm - my PS was just incidental because you had been talking about it in this thread and it reminded me how interesting it was. Sorry about that.