So is ISIL winning the war?

[Anomalocaris]

Given that the US has apparently created ISIS by overthrowing the baathists in Iraq, I'd say more intervention is not going to work. All it's done is make it worse.

ISIS was once an affiliate of Al Qaeda, but the two terror groups has since parted ways. It was after Obama ordered U.S. troops to withdraw that ISIS was able to conquer and control a large area of Iraq.

You moron, Iraq is not the U.S.   The U.S. LACKS the resource, the clear end objective, and the political will to stay there for more than a few years.   What allowed ISIS to thrive was:

1.  U.S. Political simpletons out of the most naive reasons shattered the long standing and functioning secular social and security structure in Iraq, leaving a vacuum with the ironic notion that voting in a society without any tradition or sense of humanistic outlook will somehow take care of it.

2.  U.S. military simpletons had no notion whatsoever that war and politics is a unbreakable, undelineable continuum in the middleeast,  and had no notion that it could never win the political war there, and therefore all military success is and would forever be irrelevant.


Basically, Iraq was a sorry looking prison ship under saddam, but it was more or less watertight.   The U.S. went in and blew out the bottom of the ship, and thought somehow the ship would float when the chains came off of the prisoners.   Well, some prisoner bailed, not very hard, and some stabbed eachothers, hard. The ship started to take on water, The U.S. shouted "if everyone would stop stabbing eachother and bail, I would leave". Everyone said "good bye".  The U.S. left.

Everyone went right back to stab eachother, and this time even fewer people thought about bailing.    Now A-theist, dumb as a post, is arguing it is all Obama's fault for not making the U.S. stand hip deep in water and bail all by ourselves forever.