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The Historical Reliability of the New Testament
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RE: The Historical Reliability of the New Testament
(May 16, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(May 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Hey, it may well have been the figment of some first century asshole's imagination!

We have evidence of this shit in the 2d century....although it takes until much later for some church fuck to attach the names to it.  But in the first century?  Nada.  A gap so embarrassing that they tried to forge some which is a dead giveaway about the total bullshittery of jesusism.

Second century, eh? 


By AD 107, Ignatius of Antioch could already refer to the Christian Church as the Catholic Church and to the hierarchy of bishops, priests and deacons.

Quote:Ignatius of Antioch

Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would look upon the Lord Himself, standing, as he does, before the Lord. As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do ye anything without the bishop and presbyters. Be ye subject to the bishop as to the Lord, for 'he watches for your souls, as one that shall give account to God.' In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church. See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. He who honors the bishop has been honored by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Give ye heed to the bishop, that God also may give heed to you. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters [priests], and to the deacons.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, A.D. 107, [8,1]) 

Clearly, the Church was up and running long before the second century even began, Min. 

And let's not forget that Peter was already referring to Paul's letters in the following terms:

Quote:2 Peter 3:15-17
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


See it? People twist Paul's letters, and other scriptures, to their own destruction. Paul's letters are being placed on par with "other scriptures". 

Before the second century. Tongue
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RE: The Historical Reliability of the New Testament - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 9:10 pm

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