(May 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(May 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Premise 1 is an example of the existential fallacy, unless you can demonstrate that there is such a thing as "being saved."
I can define it, and I can make a probable (though uncertain) evaluation of whether someone is saved based upon some knowledge of their lifestyle, etc., but I cannot demonstrate unless we agree that either someone has met the Christian Church's general standards for salvation or they haven't.
If you concede that "being saved" is a matter of meeting a certain standard, then it may be possible to at least describe what being saved looks like.
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, being saved requires involvement of a powerful supernatural being, along with some metaphysical postulates such as sin, soul, redemption and so forth. If you can demonstrate all that, I'd be most impressed.
You can start by demonstrating the existence of the big guy...