Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play

[Drich]

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First you called me a troll, then a Mormon, then a Calvinist, now anti theist? What is it with you and lables? How about Drich is simply telling you in his own words what it is the bible and God is really all about, without the filter of a big religious box church to sponcer/tell him what to say?

I don't remember calling you a Mormon but I didn't think that being a Calvinist was a bad thing. Many of your beliefs seem to line up with Calvinism. Can you link to the post where I called you a Mormon? It is pretty obvious you aren't Mormon as you have made it clear in other threads that you don't like it when we label them Christian. As far as calling you a troll, I have been suggesting that you might not be what you claim for a long time.  Overall, I think that I am usually pretty polite to you so I am confused why being called a Calvinist or my doubting your online persona would bother you.

I liked the original intent of this thread. 

Did anyone list changing goal posts? 

We had a discussion where I pointed out there were 4 sometimes 5 points to Calvinism I agree with one of them. That being predestination. For me Calvinism is a little too close to catholsism. My focus is on what the bible says, and not what consuls creeds or given doctrines say. Which make up the other 3 or 4 points of Calvinism.

As far as being a Mormon I'm pretty sure it was you when you first started posting and was trying to figure out my angle of attack. If not then it must have been someone else.

Also know I was not insulted by the lables. What I am trying to bring attention to is the fact that you use lables in order to try an attempt to use a broad brush established dismissal rather than speaking to the various points. Like for instance if I were a Mormon it would be easy to ignore me because look at the history of Mormonism and what they believe... Or if I were a Calvinist, then a lot of the arguments used by luthers to dismiss Calvinism would then apply...

as far as believeing what I say.. take it or leave it, it makes very little difference to me. My job is to spread the seed, not to make it grow. That what I did when you asked what does the Holy Spirit do. I gave you a lot of the Big examples of the Work of the Holy Spirit in my life. These are the things I believe and all of those examples plus hundreds if not thousands more are the reason I believe them.

Again, let's just say Absolutly everything I said was 100% true, and it all happened to you, could you pretend their wasn't a God? Could you not share when asked? What if people didn't believe you? what if they thought you were crazy? Again everything I said is true, its just not what others are use to dealing with. Even so if our places in life were reversed, could you be silent when someone asks you about what God has done for you?

Like it or not believe it or not this is where my life is as a result of the things (and more) that I have shared. The reason it is all hard to believe, because things like that don't normally converage all on one person unless in a movie. Subsequently these happenings are the reason I know there is a God because I know one or two experiences like this can all be just a matter of chance. It is when one make a life out of the abnormal that one can see the the hand of God setting trials and helping one over come them.

 

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What makes you think anyone in Hell does not deserve to be there? A call from God does not mean one automatically gets to Heaven. Just like a call back on a job interview means you get the job or will even keep the job. Whether you get the job or not has to do with whether or not your qualified, not if you are liked. Is it the employer's fault not all who apply are qualified? Is it the employer's fault that not all who are call back will want the job, or rather keep the job?

The same is true here with God. Not all are call because one not all want to go. There are many here on this website who will admit to that. Second not all who are called will heed the call. Those who do really want to be there for all the right reasons. There is not one example of anyone who wanted to be with god for the right reasons who was ever turned away.

Look at who Jesus called and they turned away: The rich young ruler, The pharrisees, The saducees, The Scribes, and lets not forget Judas. All were called some never considered Christ's offer, Some did, but realized they had too much to give up, so they turned and walked away. In the case of Judas he heard the call followed Christ for a while then turned on Him.

So again to be called does not mean will follow that calling. I would suggest if you ever Heard the gospel in your life time, you have heard that call.

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I'm not necessarily talking about me. What of someone in a remote tribe in Africa or Papua New Guinea who truly has never heard of the Bible or Jesus? Do they go to hell just out of bad geographical luck?

I did not mean to imply those who did not ever hear the gospel were among those who were never called.I simply said I believe if you ever heard the gospel you have definatly been called. I believe those who never heard the gospel will be judged by the same Jesus Christ those who have heard it will be judged. And it is to His righteous standard we will stand or fall. As we are told in Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The word is another name for Jesus as per John 1:1
This verse is saying Jesus is going to slice our doings, motives and intentions down to deli thins slices and judge every aspect of our lives with complete knowledge and transparency. Meaning he will know absolutely every motive thought or reason you had, considered or ignored to do the things in life that you did. This means you will be righteously judged, whether you knew him or not.

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Precisely! And both whether the Bible Exists and whether it works is easily tested! And it Does work. The Book exists, it offers clear instruction, and it works everytime per the promise of God!!

Wow I guess we are on the same page.

Drich, you can't keep up this spiel when we've literally seen you dismiss each and every test that fails as irrelevant because you've built "the test succeeds" into the steps of the test. You're being dishonest.

It's real simple Lax.. there are three steps out line by Christ to receive the Holy Spirit. Ask, seek Knock. Now if one seek and does not knock, or knocks and ask, but does not seek then they have not followed the steps. like wise if on asks and seek but does not knock (As is the case with everyone on this web site who has ever claimed to follow the directions of Luke 11 but did not find God by their own admission) Then they did not follow the outline Christ tells us to follow in Luke 11. So then if you all can admit to not knocking, then why is it you would expect to find God?

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Sorry Drips, like my favorite grapes I am seedless.

Ah, switch to boxers, they will help your 'boys' stay cool.

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All the faith required is that to have one simply ask and seek God and continue to do so till you find Him. This is no more 'faith' than we exert in finding a spouce.

What do you mean by this? I got to know my husband, slept with him, saw how him at his best and worst before we married. I didn't and still don't have blind faith in him or anyone

Before you met your husband, did you know his name, did you know his DOB? did you know he existed in any way? Or did you see those who were married and say to yourself I want to find a spouce even though you may not have known that your 'soul mate' even existed.. or maybe existed and went to war and never came home or something tragic like that...

Did you marry the first person you went out on a date with? did you crown the first person to bring you flowers your soul mate? or did you keep asking and seeking (this is what Jesus Identifies as knocking) till you found the guy you ultimately married? If you had to go through 100 A-holes to find the guy your with now would you do that? or would you give up and just not have married?