RE: Why be good?
June 4, 2015 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2015 at 8:10 pm by Randy Carson.)
(June 4, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:(June 4, 2015 at 6:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: ...
Sex frightens children, too. Especially the girls. THINK about what happens to them. Until they are ready for it, well, they aren't ready for it, okay? That's why parents normally EASE into the full truth over the course of several years as the kids are old enough to handle it.
Hell can be explained when it is appropriate to do so.
I should have expected you to evade the question, given how you have been ignoring it for so long.
Losty is right. Sex is not frightening, or should not be. Children are curious about it, and often ask about it, except when their elders react badly to such questions. So you are giving a false analogy.
If you think sex is comparable to hell for a woman, you must be doing something terribly wrong when you have sex.
LOL.
Okay, kid. I'm sure you've gotten laid a time or two. You may have even been sober enough to remember it.
But I was not comparing sex to hell. I was saying that lots of things are scary to small children - hell and sex can both be scary at inappropriate ages. If some parents try to scare their kids into behaving with threats of hell or the boogey man or whatever, that's bad parenting. It's not bad theology.
Try to grasp the big concepts here, okay?
(June 4, 2015 at 8:00 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(June 4, 2015 at 7:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Before I forget...there is nothing "extra-biblical" about Purgatory...there are lots of verses that refer to Purgatory - though the word itself (like "trinity") does not appear.
But as for your request, here is one passage:
Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Randy? Did you understand the question? What makes you think eternal punishment is only separation from god? See the text I have pinked? What does it mean if not eternal fire?
By the way, this passage also suggests that the path to heaven is good works not belief in god.
Jenny-
Given your beliefs, what I'm about to say next may blow your mind...and you can do whatever you want with it, okay?
There are saints to whom God has revealed things about heaven, hell, and purgatory. The souls in purgatory (and hell) ARE suffering the effects of fire (whether this is literal or figurative is less certain). The joke is that purgatory and hell share the same heating system. Kinda funny...until you think about it.
Anyway, the souls in Purgatory who have been permitted to ask the living saints for prayers, masses, etc., have reported that the separation from God and the regret for lost opportunities in this life are GREATER sources of torment than the actual flames themselves.
And, btw, the souls in hell are also tormented by the fallen angels or demons.
Now, the writings of these saints are available in books. But you have other things to occupy your time, so no need to consider any of this, right?