Q about arguments for God's existence.

[Catholic_Lady]

... I find it much less plausible that the laws of nature/physics would ever allow for anything to come from nothing, than for there to be something above nature involved.

I do not recall anyone stating or claiming that anything came from nothing, except perhaps some theists.

How would you explain it?

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I thought the OT was allegorical........you telling me you don't think so after all...you think that god really, literally, -did- create all of this?  Your idea of an allegory is starting to seem more and more like whatever you want to be true or untrue at a given moment in a given conversation.  That's actually -not- what an allegory is.

I believe in God and evolution.

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Yes, this is true. Don't you agree though that we don't have proof of either scenario? So then this doesn't have anything to do with information. At least not at this time, since we don't have any information yet.

But that doesn't mean we can't estimate probabilities

It's the mistake people often do: because we don't know for sure either way, that means the chance is 50/50 right? Nope. It don't work like that. We can assess which is more plausible.

Exactly. So calling someone ignorant for taking either side seems a little misplaced when it's just up to individual assessment with no proof leaning to either side.

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CL, you are saying it's easier to believe that a "supernatural" event is responsible rather than an as yet undiscovered "natural" event?
You do know that there is no such thing as a supernatural event? One has never occurred, ever.
We find the idea ridiculous, you find it understandable simply because you already have subscribed to so much of it from the bible.
Tell me CL, why do all religious people shove god in any and every crack they can find.
I just find the concept silly.

Yes, to me, in my opinion, it seems more plausible. We are free to disagree and be friends. :-)

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What does supernatural even mean?

Everything that exists is a part of the natural world. Everything is natural.

The dictionary says:

Supernatural - attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

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I respect your views, but I think what you say is a matter of opinion. I find it much less plausible that the laws of nature/physics would ever allow for anything to come from nothing, than for there to be something above nature involved. With neither having any proof, it would honestly take more faith for me to believe the former.

Really? So where did this creator god come from?

It's argument from ignorance mated with special pleading. "I can't imagine how anything can possibly come from nothing without having to be created by a powerful, intelligent entity which came from nothing". Even if you fudge things to allow this god to have always existed, you are still faced with having to account for its origin and nature. See, sticking a label saying "God" onto a mystery has absolutely zero explanatory power; it tells us nothing about how the god created the Universe, by what mechanism, for what reason etc. It's a skyhook in a Universe of cranes.

And even if I have more faith than you in these things, didn't you just get done telling us that you believe in the existence of your god by faith in the absence of material evidence? Is faith a good thing or a bad one? Especially since there actually is far more evidence to indicate a natural, physical cause of the Universe than there has ever been for any god.

To believe in God means to believe He is supernatural. He did not need to "come" from anywhere, as He is not bound by the laws of nature. He created all dimensions of time and space.

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What do you mean?

I meant it is good to see you taking part in threads you didn't start yourself.  It gives you the freedom to come and go more than one you start yourself.  Also shows some flexibility on your part.

Gotcha. Thanks! :-)