What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[rexbeccarox]

Oh, gosh, C-L; I'm really sorry I missed your reply.

Murder: so, when God does it, it's not immoral?

Correct. That would be capital punishment...same as when we put a prisoner to death for a serious crime.

I think capital punishment is immoral.

Rape: when God condones it it's not bad?

For context, in which verse does God do this?

Try verses:

Deut. 20:10-14 (command about attacking the town and taking women for themselves)
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Deut. 22:23-24 (rules for stoning a rape victim to death)
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Numbers 31:18 (what do you think keeping virgins for themselves entailed?)
"Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."

Deut. 22:28-29 (rules about a rape victim being made to marry her rapist)
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

And that's just a few.  Spare me the OT vs. NT rhetoric; is it not the same god?

Theft: do you really think that theft is an objectively immoral thing to do?  You can't think of any reasons why you might condone theft?

Not going to answer this one?

Adultery: My grandmother was dying with Alzheimer's for a LONG time- she wasn't herself for the last six years of her life.  Do you think it was objectively immoral for my 80-year-old grandfather to seek out companionship elsewhere while still devoting most of his time and energy to my grandmother?

Yes. "For better, for worse, in sickness and in health, till death do us part." Those words were part of my vows, anyway.

Did you miss the part where I said, "devoting most of his time and energy to my grandmother"?  You are such an insincere fuck.

Slavery: when God condones it, it's not immoral?

I have already shown God softened slavery in ways that non-godly nations did not. I have also explained how God worked with His people over time to bring them to a more enlightened understanding.

You have shown nothing of the sort.  Your vile apologetics are utterly unconvincing.

Calumny: what if your god slandered Satan to make sure he didn't have more people to rule over in hell?  Would that be immoral?

No. The example is absurd, because slander is a false statement and God doesn't lie.

It seems weird that you kinda want him to, somehow...

It seems kinda weird that he obviously does lie and deceive, but yet you will do every kind of bend to make it not seem so.