(October 5, 2010 at 11:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: When we're all Islamic, the extremists will need to find another cause.
Then they'll kill each other over distinctions between Shia and Sunni.
If everyone becomes Sunni, they'll kill each other over further hair-splitting distinctions.
There can never be peace with religions like this. No amount of conformity will please the fanatics.
Quote:Jews and Christians agree on the definition of God Paladin.
They may tell you that. They might even believe it if they aren't familiar with the OT and NT. However, if you read the OT and NT, you see two different gods.
OT: Physical, anthropomorphic, walks, talks, eats lunch with Abraham, wrestles with Jacob, etc.
NT: "God is a Spirit" (John 4:24), non-physical
OT: Jealous god, demanding of direct attention, forbids an intercessor (see Is 40:10-12)
NT: Distant god, unreachable by mortals and requires an intercessor (see John 14:6)
OT: You can have a relationship with Yahweh without Jesus
NT: You can't have a relationship with Yahweh without Jesus
OT: Keep laws, system of atonement by animal sacrifice, prayer, etc.
NT: Throw out laws, system of atonement by faith, belief in Jesus
OT: No afterlife. Only Sheol.
NT: Afterlife with two possible destinations.
OT: Satan is the tempter working for Yahweh
NT: Satan is the arch nemesis of Jesus, rebelled against Yahweh long ago
OT: Yahweh directly interacts with characters in the Bible, wrestles with Jacob, speaks face-to-face to Moses, gives a public speech to Judea (Judges 1:1) eats lunch with Abraham, smites Onan and other characters, shows off his dick to Ezekiel (described as a column of fire), etc.
NT: Yahweh retreats into a distant backdrop while son Jesus takes center stage. Only interaction is speaking from the sky at Jesus' baptism and at his transfiguration. Yahweh is more a plot device than an interactive character.
OT: Messiah is a warlord who leads Israel to victory and conquers the world
NT: Messiah is a lamb of God who preaches peace and has come not just for the Jews but all of humanity
OT: Yahweh is the god of the Jews only.
NT: Yahweh is the god of all people of the world and wants everyone to come to the faith.
Quote:Of course Jews won't automatically accept that Jesus was the messiah, but many do.That would make them Christians, by definition.
Quote:Islam re-writes the Jewish God to be something conflicting.Yahweh got a rewrite in the NT too.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist