(June 30, 2015 at 11:52 am)KevinM1 Wrote:Quote:I was trying to address one of these doctrines regarding hell and punishment and that God does not send people to hell. That is lost on you because you don't want to make such doctrinal distinctions when you are clearly comfortable with your one-liners. Because if you and many of your buddies here stick to mocking one-line arguments, it makes you feel superior to the poor stupid Christians.
It's a distinction without meaning, really. According to most, I'm going to go to hell for simply not believing. Does it really matter if your god sends me there directly or if it's part of some automated process based on me not entering a covenant with it? The method is the same: unbelief = hell. Moreover, it's based on pettiness.
What does a supreme being need with worship? Christians espouse god's forgiving and loving nature all the time, but at the end of the day salvation relies on not just belief that it exists (despite it not providing clear, verifiable evidence of itself), but that I accept it as my lord and master. I cannot do that, even under threat of torment. I would rather be free in hell than a slave in heaven.
Let's get back to sin for a moment. You made a big stink (capital letters and everything) a few posts up about my sins. I jokingly asked you to list them. I'll simply do it for you:
1. Not believing in your god
2. I stole a couple of beef chalupa supremes from the UNH food court over a decade ago because I was running late for class
That is, honestly, all I can think of. I never cheated on my girlfriend. I abhor violence, except in self-defense. I haven't made nor possess idols of anything. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Do I deserve to be tortured, even temporarily?
Note also that I think Original Sin is idiotic and barbarous. Children should not be held to account for the crimes of their ancestors.
Pettiness? The morally perfect, eternal, creator of the universe says he cannot (as in not possible) have sin in his presence. And not just that, he desires to have us in his presence so much as to have provided a bridge to get us back to him. You, one of a few billion ants that exist for a time that is so insignificantly short compared to eternity past, deem this petty.
Do you think that a little sin or a big sin matters to a morally perfect God who cannot have sin in his presence? To think so is to miss the point and/or engage in faulty reasoning.