(July 5, 2015 at 12:06 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Would he have to intervene in every thing after that, why would he be obligated? It's a terrible argument, god wont stop rape because then he is obligated to fix hangnails, couldn't he just take the impulse of rape and murder away from human beings, without having to take away free will?(July 5, 2015 at 11:47 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Why?
(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: Of course, it goes without saying that the free will of the victim is fucked.
(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Ya, why? Your not ok with god stopping a rapist from raping a child because it violates the rapist's free will? What about the childs free will that is being violated by the rapist?
Let's say for the sake of argument that God did prevent the rape of one person...or prevent a murder of another. If He does that for one or two, wouldn't He be obligated to prevent every murder? Every rape? Divorce hurts people, too...what about preventing every divorce? Unemployment is bad....should God be obligated to prevent anyone from losing their job? Or falling on the playground and skinning their knees?
If God intervened in every situation that conceivably causes us pain, our lives would be so free from suffering that we would consider a hangnail to be a great injustice requiring God's intervention.
But at what point would God have to eliminate free will in order to accomplish this utopian existence? As disgusting as it is, God cannot stop the rapist or murderer without impinging on the free will of all mankind. Consequently, He allows the pain in order to respect the greater good.
And if we are not morally free to choose to rape or not rape, to kill or not kill, and we are forced to serve and obey God, why would we love Him since we had no other choice?
Why should we love a god who allows murder and rape to occur when he has the power to stop it?