(July 9, 2015 at 11:36 am)Drich Wrote:personal antiquated idea of god was given to me by the good ol' american christian indoctrination....as usual.(July 9, 2015 at 10:00 am)loganonekenobi Wrote: I wonder what form God's wrath will come in. A Meteor, a super volcano, climate change? When ever something bad happened to the weather or geology man has said "it's God's wrath we are sinning too much." then we as humans survived and went on. Countless examples of natural (and man made) disasters abound that even in the wake of scientific explanation was used to site God's displeasure. So God's wrath will have to be more than something that is naturaly explained. Now if a dude in robes comes down with no obvious way of flying and just starts blasting the world with his mind or what ever then you might see me start praying. Until then we can predict our own world end in at least a dozen different scenarios. No supernatural stuff needed. No amount of homosexuality will change when the meteor or super volcano will hit. Now our own actions and greed may kill us in other disasters that we CAN prevent. We should focus on that.
These are people who took the marxis philosophy about religion. However, the reason (for them) was so that they didn't have to share power. I am no fan of mass murder (not even christians) but one thing is for certain they did not do this in the name of athiesm. NO they did that to promote thier own power. the philosophy of the secular was to think for themselves wich was something that these people did not want. So these men do not represnt athiesm in esence but in the bible it clearly states that non believers should be killed, shunned, and in general be treated negativly. there is no such doctrine for the athiest. This is a common poke from the religious to the non religious but from what I've seen having or not having a god only brings about better behavior about 10% of the time (yeah there was a study). If you are going to be evil then god or not you will be.
Why would God's wrath need to come in a form that can't naturally be explained?
How does our ablity to identify the tool of God's wrath make it any less from God? God is the God of the natural universe so why is He somehow omitted from using the things He put into existence for His purposes?
Or should I re phrase, Why/how does your personally antiquated idea of How god is supposed to work in the world 'limit' The Alpha and Omega from caring out his will?
Science says that there have been at least 5 major disasters in the geological history of earth which has wiped out 99% of all the species that have ever lived. We have very solid evidence of this. As far as we know these species did not have a moral compass. they lived, bred, and died. In the end the comet or what ever destruction came regardless of what they did. None of these events happened during our history in which all religions have been invented. As scientist examine these events it is clear that the events simply followed natural law.
Comes now the christain a mere 2015 (apx) years ago. He explains that these events are god's punishments upon us for immoral behavior. They like to use fear as a tool don't they. Now you are going to try to tell me that OUR moral behavior will start or stop that next comet.....defy the rules of gravity and hit us at the zeneth of our immorality. Yeah the norse believed that fenris swollowed the sun during eclipses.
Where logic, science, and the secular try to understand the universe the religious just wimp out and say "It's God it must be..."if they want to be lazy and not look deeper in to reality, fine...but then don't turn around to me and say "you have to believe like me or else..." that doesn't go well.
