RE: Islam is the real deal
July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 11:16 pm by huss88ein.)
(July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote:Well for the list u should read the rest of it cause they are mentionning lots of scientists and it is just logical from the ancient ones so if it pleases u start from the bottom.(July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well it is not that easy cause in every abortion there are clots of blood how would you know which one is the embryo and if it is that easy then do it and send me the picture.I'll take that response as an admission of failure. Thank you.
Actually, it is that easy. The embryo is enclosed in membranes in which the only blood is its own, a very tiny amount. Unless the membranes have been damaged, the embryo itself will have no blood on it. Maybe you have a problem with washing in addition to seeing?
No surrahs to guide your surgeon friends in current practice?
I'll take that as another admission of failure. Thank you.
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(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote: And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
In this link you can read the names of muslim scientists including modern ones
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...scientists
As for our argue I feel we've reached a point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell u this give me any othe reference as ancient as quran giving these or similar phases and u'll win ok.
(July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm)huss88ein Wrote: In this link you can read the names of muslim scientists including modern onesDude, do you even read your references?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...scientists
Quote:Astronomers and astrophysicists
Ali Qushji (Ali KUŞÇU 1403 - 1474)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (c. 858 – 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 – c. 950), (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 140) (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029-1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1266)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449), also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585), Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Alisahac, Ottoman astronomer
Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[1]
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[2]
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[3]
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[4] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[5]
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[6]
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[6]
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[7]
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[8]
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[9]
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry,[KEYCAP TEN] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[11]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[7]
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[7]
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[12]
Mohammad Samir Hossain, a theorist,[13] author and one of the few Muslim scientists[14] in the field of Death anxiety (psychology) research.[13][15]
Congratulations!!
The first entry referencing the 20th century.
Mohammad Hossain is current. Of course his Wikipedia page says he is, "one of the few Muslim scientists..."
I'm not going to go through the rest of that page because it's pretty clear that 90% of the entries are about scientists that died before 1400.
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(July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm)huss88ein Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote: I'll take that response as an admission of failure. Thank you.Well for the list u should read the rest of it cause they are mentionning lots of scientists and it is just logical from the ancient ones so if it pleases u start from the bottom.
Actually, it is that easy. The embryo is enclosed in membranes in which the only blood is its own, a very tiny amount. Unless the membranes have been damaged, the embryo itself will have no blood on it. Maybe you have a problem with washing in addition to seeing?
No surrahs to guide your surgeon friends in current practice?
I'll take that as another admission of failure. Thank you.
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In this link you can read the names of muslim scientists including modern ones
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...scientists
As for our argue I feel we've reached a point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell u this give me any othe reference as ancient as quran giving these or similar phases and u'll win ok.
(July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm)huss88ein Wrote: In this link you can read the names of muslim scientists including modern onesDude, do you even read your references?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...scientists
Quote:Astronomers and astrophysicists
Ali Qushji (Ali KUŞÇU 1403 - 1474)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (c. 858 – 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 – c. 950), (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 140) (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029-1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1266)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449), also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585), Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Alisahac, Ottoman astronomer
Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[1]
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[2]
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[3]
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[4] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[5]
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[6]
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[6]
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[7]
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[8]
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[9]
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry,[KEYCAP TEN] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[11]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[7]
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[7]
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[12]
Mohammad Samir Hossain, a theorist,[13] author and one of the few Muslim scientists[14] in the field of Death anxiety (psychology) research.[13][15]
Congratulations!!
The first entry referencing the 20th century.
Mohammad Hossain is current. Of course his Wikipedia page says he is, "one of the few Muslim scientists..."
I'm not going to go through the rest of that page because it's pretty clear that 90% of the entries are about scientists that died before 1400.
For the scientists list advice start from the bottom from the modern ones.
As for our discussion I feel like we've reached the point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell one thing give me a reference as ancient as quran giving these phases or remotely similar ones and u'll win.
