(May 12, 2012 at 6:34 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, if your particular faith tells you that taking your own life for the pursuit of the afterlife is acceptable, yes, you can do that. Jainism, for example, recommends fasting to the death as a means to archive nirvana.
Since all of the Abrahamic faiths call upon you to reach heaven by self-sacrifice, you should go around busting up drug-gangs till you get killed.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:34 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: In my opinion, however, you should "forfeit" your life, not take it outright. Meaning, you should be able to lay it down when the time comes, as a testimony to your disattachment of this world.
And then you should work actively to bring about that time. Because if you don't, you haven't really forfeited your life.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:34 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: This would be a lot more meaningful, don't you think, my shallow friend?
No, without your life, nothing can be meaningful. Therefore, forfeiting something that is the source of meaning is not meaningfull.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:34 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: The vow of poverty, which has been taken by many dervishes and people of faith who were renown philosophers, poets and bards, has helped them to archive their aims of being philosophers, poets and bards, in particular. But their ultimate aim was to archive afterlife in a more exalted state than most other souls.
Philosophy, poetry and song were tools for them to spread the faith, and those they have used in very fine ways.
That is exactly what I find disgusting. Renouncing meaning and worth of the real life that you have now for an imaginary one.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:34 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Here, the great dervish Yunus Emre, speaks of his journey to the dargah of Taptuk Emre. He there, carried wood to his dargah for fourty years, prayed, wrote poetry and learned the arts of tasawwuf. He became "hardened", his ultimate aim to archive his ultimate goal. He also took this vow of poverty to sever the connection of worldly things and worldly needs in favor of a higher purpose he set before himself, that he only could archive with this vow.
Is this supposed to mean something? All I see is a lunatic whose very actions are an insult to the collective greatness of human intelligence.
