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A pantheistic argument.
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RE: A pantheistic argument.
I think it depends on your definition of "god". As far as we know, the universe isn't intelligent or self-aware, so it isn't a "god" according to the definition of god as a "planner" or a "creator".

If you define god simply as "the most powerful force in the universe" then yes, god is the universe itself. But in this case the word "god" is useless. You can simply say "the universe".

Quote:Some forms of pantheism, which is a form of theism, merely believe that god=the universe.

Most of those forms also believe that the universe is intelligent or self-aware. I think that there is no evidence to make this claim.

Quote:So if I label the universe as "god" then that doesn't mean that I believe in god. If I merely define god as the universe, then what I actually believe in is the universe, just like you, the belief is the same - merely the label is different.

Then "god" is a useless label.
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A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rayaan - October 29, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 30, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Simon Moon - October 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by DeistPaladin - October 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by thesummerqueen - October 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Brian37 - October 30, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Angrboda - October 31, 2012 at 7:18 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 6:20 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm



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