[ARCHIVED] - Evidence Vs Faith

[fr0d0]

Well this is funny. You chase me endlessly with the question of existence and now we're limited to discussing it here. So all I have to do is not answer and I get peace

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There is nothing to discuss. I state my belief and the reasoning for that belief. The reasoning for that belief includes the condition that God is non temporal. ie he doesn't exist in a way that we could ever understand. By definition.

This entity you wish to discuss is therefore clearly not the God that I believe in. To discuss your conditions of existence would be to discuss something else entirely.

As I assume you wish to discuss the God I believe in and not any God, then the discussion you have framed isn't viable.

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So then we go on to discuss why my POV is logical with this God being impossible to 'know'. Except we don't get as far as considering my belief because you will not consider it before fully accepting it. Which I find odd. I think I can understand almost every sane POV, I just don't accept all of them; ..unless it presents itself to me as more logical than my own POV. I don't have much choice in this, my brain seems to be hard wired to go with the most logical conclusion.

Which brings us around to what we were discussing yesterday, which is whether it is possible for a Christian to choose to believe in God.


I now get where you're coming from Evie. You're stone walling the very notion because as I've said above, you refuse to consider something you don't actually believe yourself. Which again, I must say I find very odd.

When people discuss anything there always has to be different points of view. If you refuse to discuss anything you don't believe in then you can't discuss anything!?


You have said that you're not refusing, but then you demand, by force of repetition, that I only talk about what you believe in. It has to be what you demand it is, and that is, contradictory to the logic that I believe in.


I ask myself "what are we talking about here?" Are we trying to evidence a god of Evie's creation or are we trying to understand the Christian God? If the subject, as it seems very clear to me, is to understand what the Christian God is, then surely you need to abandon the demand to evidence your god. (your god only in that it certainly isn't the God I believe in)


Tell me how you wish to proceed.