RE: God's God
April 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm by Mystic.)
(April 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm)median Wrote: The same logic can apply both ways dude.
Not really. To me it seems if God eternally did exist, he would be constantly causing himself to exist.
A quark can't really be said to be causing itself to exist, from my perspective.
The reason is that it doesn't have immense power or super natural power to do that.
I know Islamically, it is taught that God is Independant while everything else is dependant on him.
You don't have to agree with it, but it's not a case of special pleading.
There is a notable difference. I know I can't be constantly causing myself to exist. I know I can't be causing the universe to exist. Does that mean I know God can't be causing himself and the universe to exist? That is silly.
Quote: You are running off on a red-herring.
No I'm showing why it's not special pleading. I showed a few reasons, not just one.
I will also leave a different perspective of Irfan and Sufism.
It is said God's existence is ultimate to the extent it cannot lack any life. If that is true, all life + life of God is not more than "life of God". This would be true, even if God create infinite universes with infinite souls. If this is true, then real existence would be derived from God's existence and be given to life by emitting him.
Therefore, if he exists, he necessarily encompasses all life out there, while all life must be derived from it's existence. If this is true, then everything must be created by him, and there cannot logically be two gods or three gods or five gods, in the sense that they are all ultimate or eternal.
This shows it would not be a case of special pleading to say God would not require a creator or that he can't know that.
