"If you're not a Feminist, you're a Sexist"

[DeistPaladin]

Still don't see why keeping men out of the discussion of fighting for their rights or against male oppression, how can you possibly say that fighting for men's rights is feminism or imply it.

Maybe because I've never known any self-described feminists who've said discrimination against or sexual harassment of men is OK. Neither have I known of any who are dismissive of the problem. As I told you earlier, my wife has said domestic violence against men is not taken as seriously as it should be.

You just said that men who worry about rape are basically insecure or whatever ad hominem you used. This is why feminism makes people sexist.

And I stand by the assessment that any man who worries about being raped probably has issues with his sexuality. This has less to do with feminism and more to do with the odds. Please note, I said "man" not "boy" or "child". As a grown man, I figure my odds of being raped in my lifetime are roughly those of being struck by lightning. With women, even if you disagree with "1 in 4", the odds are unfortunately high enough that for her to exercise precautions is rational.

I still don't see how this pertains feminism at all then. It's Egalitarianism.

I'm simply trying to offer possible reasons why the feminists you talked to were dismissive of domestic violence against men, etc. But again, I'd have to know what the conversation was to understand fully.

Well duh right? according to people like you, she must be a feminist, otherwise she's a sexist.

I don't believe I've ever said that. I was offering a possible explanation of what AronRa had said, that there is no "middle ground" depending on your definition.

Try to take a few deep breaths here. Relax.

You for example, have some extreme opinions on how we should mobilize our police force more towards women's crimes, did I get that wrong? since you did say that these crimes happen more to women did you not?

I don't know that mobilization of our police force has been part of this topic, except when I asked how often sexual violence against men happens and is our justice system handling it well enough.

Breathe, dude, breathe. Go to your happy place.