RE: A person who needs help.....
September 18, 2015 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2015 at 12:10 pm by Orchids.)
(September 18, 2015 at 11:52 am)Orchids Wrote: That's funny how as I was about to post to the rocket surgeon a thorough reply, it was mysteriously wiped out as I hit the preview botton!!!!
I would simply say 2 things now:
1/-according to the definition of the world seizure below, that is not what I had.
2.
a sudden attack of illness, especially a stroke or an epileptic fit.
"the patient had a seizure"
synonyms:
convulsion, fit, spasm, paroxysm; More
I never had any such things as "spasms", "fit", much less "convulsions".
So NO!! that is not it.
2/- you cannot include the words "vision" and "not genuine" in the same sentence. If it's a vision it is Genuine. Just because you are not the one who had it does not mean that it never took place.
Thanks for the Addendum, it merits further investigating.
(September 18, 2015 at 11:45 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Ok, Orchid, you vehemently think that you don't need an exorcist. It's true, I don't believe in demons or possessions or exorcisms, so I shouldn't have made the suggestion. But your tale of wanting to be rid of an entity made me think of exorcism.
And my question is valid: why post these tales on an atheist forum? Exactly how do you imagine atheists will be able to help you rid yourself of visions, or a haunting, or whatever you call these things you describe? We can only assume that you are creating them yourself. This is not a psychiatric forum.
Considering the story, I wouldn't have been surprised by green slime. And you do growl at anyone who finds stories of spirits and entities vaguely entertaining. Thanks for giving me a chuckle on my work break. Go get therapy.
What did you exactly intend on doing by calling yourself drfuzzy, knowing that you clearly are not a doctor, when you decided to reply to my OP? You cannot help. Move out of the way and allow space for somebody who really can. This is not the first time I go to an atheist site. And in case you, claiming to be an atheist, do not know this, let me let you in on the fact that there are some Astoundingly Brilliant Atheists out there. I am going to stick around and try to see if I don't come across one or two on here. Til then, you simply need to move on with you life and avoid making me its centerfold.
(September 18, 2015 at 2:57 am)robvalue Wrote: Orchids: you're most welcome
I can't say for sure what you experienced, however I would be willing to be that it was almost certainly not real. Minds can do very strange things at the best of times, and when under extreme stress they can produce all kinds of weird reactions. I've had hallucinations before, visual and auditory. I simply recognise that the chances of them being a glitch in my brain, which happens to everyone, are drastically higher than it being anything real. Minds also have access to our knowledge, so they are aware of the Jesus mythology you've no doubt been soaked in all your life. If instead you'd been raised in an Islamic country, it would probably have been Mohammad or something.
I'm not being insulting here but genuinely trying to help: when you "who else could it have been" you're committing an error of thinking. A logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance, I cover it on my webpage. Your mind has come to a conclusion about what it is, and you ask us to demonstrate what else it is. It's impossible for us to know or prove anything about it, but our inability to do so in no way means the explanation your mind has come up with is correct. It's almost certainly the case that it was a mental glitch, but it so happens we can't prove that. But it would be true, nonetheless. Learning to spot errors like this in your thinking may help you push out irrational thoughts I did a video about this, aimed more at people who say "You can't prove God doesn't exist" but it applies here too. Please ask if this is unclear.
http://youtu.be/U0C1bC9iDss
If you have the time, I'd seriously recommend this video. This is a guy who is an expert on the bible, and through a lot of study he makes strong arguments for Jesus (the human) not actually being real at all. He thinks the whole thing is a rewrite of an earlier story. I am inclined to agree. This video also shows how mythology is just copied from earlier mythology. It might make it seem a bit less real.
http://youtu.be/79Lmmy2jfeo
What makes you think I was under stress, let alone EXtreme, when that happened? Also as far as real vs. not real one can claim the same of many things in life as there is really no way of truly framing them.
I will get back to full answer your post. I have to run for now as my laptop battery is running out of power. Thank you for the effort. Really appreciate it.