John Armstrong With A Simple Challenge For Muslims

[DeistPaladin]

if any of this happened there will be no test for us which is one of the reasons of our temporary existance in the world.asking why god did this or that really need a great knowledge about everything as if you dont know why we are here or what we are suppose to do you will never understand the reason beyond things

This is the "God works in mysterious ways" line.

What I'm asking is have you given any thought to the tactics here? It seems that if it were part of a deliberate plan, than it's a very irrational plan, far too self-defeating to be hatched by a more knowledgeable god. The proof is in the results. Of course the Christians rejected Muhammad except where his sword reached. What other result could there have been?

and about the evidence if you searched in different religions with objectivity and you didnt find any evidence i wish to know what kind of evidence you was looking for

How about any at all?

All you've got is "some guy claimed God spoke to him". You certainly don't believe the exact same claim made by Joseph Smith, David Koresh, Jim Jones or any other cult leader. Why do you expect me to take his word for it?

The claim to have spoken to God is, I'm sure you might agree, a fantastic claim that demands hard and heavy evidence. The evidence we usually expect in day-to-day life is proportional to how outlandish the claim is. If I told you I had lunch with a friend of yours today, you might take my word for it. If I told you I had lunch with one of your deceased relatives, you'd demand a great deal of evidence and maybe still not believe me. How about if I told you I spoke with God today?

This is what I mean by special pleading. You believe Muhammad was a prophet and yet reject all these other prophets who present no less in the way of evidence. I can go to the local insane asylum and find a dozen inmates who will tell me of their audience with God and have just as much proof to show for it.

...what jews tried to do is to justify that they didnt believe by claiming that he was suppose to be a king according to their scripture and later they said he is a sorcerer and the last justification they did was before trying to kill him they said that if he was sent from god we will not be able to kill him(they are still waiting for him to come as a king)

What didn't the Jews believe according to Islam?

I understand the Christian perspective. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God (or, reading John, God incarnate). This was and is blasphemous to the Jews who share the Muslim idea of the jealous, monotheistic god who delegates the relationship with his followers to no one. What exactly did the Jews have to reject regarding the Muslim Jesus?

John 4:16

Sorry, I mean John 14:6. A bit of transposed numbers there.

How do you measure "greatness" then?

delivering the messege of god and have patience for all the things happened to them

So pretty much you have to show up for the job. Thanks for clearing that up.

a lot of things was written but during the killing of people opposing each other a lot was lost and later they had to choose between different books but there are a lot of another books discovered that contains writings by others who was with jesus(pbuh) but of course few was introduced publicly and on the internet(i have a translation of bernaba bible and it contains a lot of differences from the bible we have now)

Yeah, there are many Gospels and epistles that didn't make it into the Bible. If you want to say Christianity is a mess, I'm right there with you. However, that proves my point that there was no "pure" set of teachings by Jesus, assuming there were any at all.

And are you suggesting that Jesus did write something down about his teachings? You base that on what?