(February 8, 2016 at 2:56 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:(February 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: How many believers have you successfully talked out of their beliefs with that attitude? Oh, none, really? That's a shocker.
Chill, EP. I think that we need to hang on to the knowledge that there are many, many different types of believers out there. You and Brian37 can both be correct, in different contexts, different places, different belief systems and different people. There is no magic formula.
While I agree with Brian that ideas / beliefs should not be scrutiny or blasphemy free. I'm a fan of cold hard facts, and I rather enjoy applying them to unsubstantiated woo. But that doesn't mean that I think de-converting people is my business. Their beliefs are their business. And some of them would happily die rather than doubt.
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Yep, we can be both correct, that was my point. I think the important thing for all parties is to accept that there is no such thing as a utopia formula.
But, your meme DOES demonstrate what happens to human thought when humans hide behind religion, and that is my reason that "never" is not a good solution. I certainly was not postulating an absolute either.
The people who had an influence on me when I first started to question, I have no contact with now, they will never know what they did for me. I wish I could go back in time an thank them.
