RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe
April 16, 2016 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 6:51 pm by WinterHold.)
(April 16, 2016 at 6:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Words can be synonymous, but still, have different meaning. Synonyms are not all words with exact same meaning in all places. And in time sometimes words loose their original meaning. But we see in study of Quran, the word astafa is used in 12 verses, 13 times, and it has a special meaning.
To you bani-Israel were chosen and not simply selected, but Quran is saying peace is upon all such servants, but then Quran is also saying many of Bani-Israel were cursed for disobeying God and his Messengers.
The definition of synonym -a simple google search will produce the results-:
Quote:a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close.
"‘the East’ was a synonym for the Soviet empire"
Quote:a person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.
"the Victorian age is a synonym for sexual puritanism"
Mmmm..
Quote:If Bani-Israel was chosen, and they had people who disobeyed God and were cursed by God, then why did Quran say:
Peace be upon the servants of God that he has chosen (astafa)...
Because the word "Istafa" means "to select a subject from within a group"?
A subject that might prove worthless, or worthy.
So this verse is about the "worthy" ones; the ones who were chosen (i.e selected; got picked up), and passed the test, lived up to the promise.
While this verse on the other hand:
Sura 6
( 87 ) And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
( 88 ) That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.
Is about the unworthy, if somebody was "chosen" yet proved to be a failure.
I even told you about Jonah's story, but to my surprise -no not really; I'm not surprised-, you just ignored that point.
A verse for what obeying is met by, and a verse about what disobeying is met with; the ultimate perfect balance.
Islam is a religion of justice; Mystic. Our God is so just; he's not a father with a napoleon complex or a woman with mid-age crisis.
Quote:To you bani-Israel were chosen and not simply selected, but Quran is saying peace is upon all such servants, but then Quran is also saying many of Bani-Israel were cursed for disobeying God and his Messengers.
No you don't get it..
To me, "choose" and "select" are synonyms.